PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Accidents and Close Calls (https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls-139/)
-   -   Safety around propellers (https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/562596-safety-around-propellers.html)

B2N2 15th Oct 2019 00:59

There is so much wrong with that accident:

- Did the “pilot” even do a preflight?
- “Pilot” should have shut down prior to exit.
Especially with a passenger.
- “Pilot” should have briefed his passenger which is really easy in a Cessna (stay behind the strut at all times even with the engine off. Walk around the wingtip to get to the door)
- Pax should have listened but was probably just trying to be helpful.

I’m typing “pilot” as he obviously isn’t.
The FAA should investigate and revoke his certificates.
Good luck helping your wife learn to walk again and wipe.

I have no sympathy for these types.

Pilot DAR 15th Oct 2019 12:29

In piloting, we consider "normal" and "abnormal" conditions. When presented with an "abnormal" condition, we exercise more caution, as an accident is more possible. A turning propeller, with people moving around near it on the ground, is an abnormal condition.

I expect that the FAA will speak to the pilot about the offense of not occupying the pilot's seat with the engine running.

India Four Two 15th Oct 2019 21:56

- Did the “pilot” even do a preflight?
- “Pilot” should have shut down prior to exit.

I'm guilty of forgetting to remove the chocks during my preflight. However, when I realized what was preventing me from moving, I did shut down prior to getting out and removing the chocks.

Most of my power-flying is on a gliding field where there are often people in relatively close proximity to the tow plane. I am always conscious of the potential need to quickly turn the mags off if anyone is approaching me.

However, I do have a lot of sympathy for the pilot. He has to live with the fact that his wife was severely injured because of his oversight/complacency.

B2N2 18th Oct 2019 04:15

Everybody has forgotten chocks including me.
Its how you deal with an error or an oversight.
If anything this clearly shows that an accident is a chain of events and some accidents are years in the making (complacencies).

This was a rented airplane, they may have been delayed into a flight after sunset, renter may have been legal for night flight with passengers but not comfortable and so on.

Could have been many additional stress factors including the attitude/behavior of a passenger.

Teddy Robinson 30th Oct 2019 20:45

The propeller arc is always live. Never EVER go there.

Auxtank 9th Jul 2020 08:00

It pains me to see some of the ads in the press for modular ATPL with grinning students in their crisp white pilot shirts, student epaulettes and a hand resting on the prop of a PA-28 or in this case a DA-40. Even if that thing hasn't even got an engine under the cowling and prop's a mock up - it's still promoting bad practise.
Here you go. In a popular monthly mag for a major ATO...


rnzoli 10th Jul 2020 08:07

Hey, it's because they are ATPL students, so in 2 years time they willl fly big jets, without remembering what a prop or magneto is :)
Just kidding of course, but I also watch thes photos, any many happy before / after sightseeing flight photos with the pilots and passengers touching blades, standing right next to blades etc.
While accidents rarely happen that way, it shows disrepspect to a literally lethal part of the aircraft, which WILL develop into complacency and if the circumstances are given, WILL directly lead to a prop accident.
Although not always fatal, aircraft propellers striking humans leave scars for life: missing fingers, amputated or totally paralized arm, very badly difigured face.
And of course you won't see THAT on social media or fancy brochures.

All times are GMT. The time now is 17:58.

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.