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ZSPD Cargo Plane Crash
Cargo plane from Zimbabwe, not many details. CNN has one picture of smoke billowing.
Zimbabwe cargo plane crashes at Shanghai airport | World news | guardian.co.uk |
A bit more details... Sad to hear.
A Zimbabwe-registered cargo plane crashed shortly after taking off Saturday from a Shanghai airport with seven crew members aboard, state media and witnesses said.
The official Xinhua News Agency reported that four crew members, all foreigners, were injured. The status of the other three was not immediately clear. China Central Television showed billowing thick black smoke at the scene, with police officers blocking closer access. A reporter from Shanghai's Oriental Satellite Television told CCTV that the tail of the plane had broken in two or three parts, and hundreds of firefighters were spraying fire retardants on the plane. The reporter said the four injured people were conscious. A man answering phones at the Pudong International Airport cargo information office who requested anonymity confirmed the crash but had no details. Xinhua said the crash occurred at 7:40 a.m. (2340 GMT Friday). In June 2006, a Chinese military plane crashed in eastern China's Anhui province, killing all 40 people aboard. |
I wonder why the media is not picking up this story, or why the Chinese government are not allowing them to. The crash has closed the airport, seems pretty big news to me.
I checked for Zimbabwe registered aircraft, the only thing close is Avient, which has 3 DC-10s (easily confused for an MD11 to the untrained eye) and one MD11 (recent acquisition that database shows as still being parked). :confused: |
No confusion here, it was freshly painted Avient MD11.
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More info here, looks like it was an Avient aircraft.
Zimbabwe Cargo Plane Crashes In China, Killing 3 - CBS News |
Mixture of stories out there......
Three staff have died and four others were injured after a cargo plane caught fire at the Shanghai Pudong airport Saturday, local officials said, Xinhua reported.
The blaze occurred at 8:12 a.m., when the plane veered off the runway before it took off, they said. All the seven foreign staff were rushed to the People's Hospital of Pudong New Area, where three of died and one is in serious condition as of 11:00 a.m. The blaze was put out at about 9:00 a.m., rescuers said. The plane, SMJ 324, was registered at Zimbabwe. It was scheduled to fly from Shanghai to Bishkek, capital of Kyrgyzstan. Trend News: Three dead, four injured in cargo plane crash in Shanghai Airport EDIT#1: If you look at the news reports, none of them say MD-11 that I could find. NewsNow: Airlines EDIT#2: The only places that are saying MD-11 are the blogs and "other" Aviation Themed Websites. Only one place saying it was an MD-11. 明報即時新聞網-兩岸---貨機墜上海機場 斷成兩截 (10:38)-20091128 That was after translation. |
No more uncertainties, it was freshly painted MD 11.
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Stock picture, unrelated to the accident.
AP used to say it was a MD11, now changed to "Zimbabwean-registered" instead Xinhua doesn't mention the type either, but does mention the flight (SMJ234) so it appears definitively Avient. (edited to add) CCTV says tail hit ground before breaking apart. No context or additional info. Take with usual pound of salt. |
Avient
From Avient Limited Specialising in Air Cargo to Africa and the World
(They don't HAVE any MD-11s it seems, but 3 DC-10s, a 727 and an IL-76.) Correction: It seems they just started operating an MD-11, so it could very well be that MD-11. It seems it was, N408SH on temporary US reg while being painted, see picture and further comments below. Press Release 28 November 2009 An Avient Aviation operated aircraft was involved in an accident at approximate 00:16 GMT today while the aircraft, a McDonnell Douglas MD11 Freighter , was operating a charter freight flight from Pudong International Airport in China. Preliminary information indicates that the accident occurred on takeoff from Pudong International Airport. The aircraft was carrying a crew of 7. At this time, the full resources of Avient's accident response team have been mobilised and will be devoted to cooperating with all authorities responding to the accident. At this time no further information is available. Avient will continue to release additional information as it is confirmed. Fleet: Avient owns its fleet of DC10-30Fs and an IL-76, with access to Boeing 727-200Fs. Our aircraft are all maintained to the highest possible safety standards by our own highly skilled maintenance team, any aircraft that we charter is pre-checked to make sure that it conforms to Avient's strict safety requirements. All of our air crew are trained to the highest possible standard and undergo regular training and performance reviews to ensure the continued quality of excellence that Avient require. |
ZSPD Notams of 28 NOV 2009
What runway did they use? Here are the NOTAMs as of right now, those updated or created today.
A8588/09 - RWY17L/35R CLSD DUE TO MAINT. DURING CLOSURE PERIOD, ACFT SHALL CROSS RWY17L/35R VIA TWY A1,TWY D1,TWY A3 AND TWY D3 ONLY. 28 NOV 05:53 2009 UNTIL 29 NOV 02:00 2009 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 28 NOV 05:55 2009 A8587/09 - ILS FOR RWY17L U/S. 28 NOV 04:20 2009 UNTIL 05 DEC 03:55 2009 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 28 NOV 04:22 2009 A8585/09 - ILS FOR RWY35R U/S. 28 NOV 04:19 2009 UNTIL 05 DEC 03:55 2009 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 28 NOV 04:19 2009 A8583/09 - RWY17R/35L FOR TAKE-OFF ONLY. 28 NOV 03:59 2009 UNTIL 28 NOV 15:59 2009 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 28 NOV 03:59 2009 A8582/09 - VOR/DME 'PUD'/116.9MHZ/CH116X U/S. 28 NOV 03:55 2009 UNTIL 05 DEC 03:45 2009 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 28 NOV 03:57 2009 A8577/09 - 1.TWY F CLSD. 2.TWY E BTN TWY F1 AND TWY T3 CLSD.INTERSECTION BTN TWY F1 AND TWY E CLSD. 1700-2230 7,9,11 DEC, 07 DEC 17:00 2009 UNTIL 11 DEC 22:30 2009. CREATED: 28 NOV 02:47 2009 A8575/09 - TWY B BTN TWY A8 AND TWY B4 CLSD. 07 DEC 17:00 2009 UNTIL 07 DEC 22:30 2009. CREATED: 28 NOV 02:39 2009 A8573/09 - RWY16/34 CLSD. 1700-2230 7,9,11 DEC, 07 DEC 17:00 2009 UNTIL 11 DEC 22:30 2009. CREATED: 28 NOV 02:36 2009 A8572/09 - 1.TWY C BTN TWY C1 AND TWY C4,BTN TWY C4 AND TWY C9,BTN TWY C9 AND TWY C12 CLSD.INTERSECTIONS BTN TWY C12 AND TWY C CLSD. 2.TWY D BTN TWY D1 AND TWY D3,BTN TWY D3 AND TWY D9,BTN TWY D9 AND TWY D11 CLSD.INTERSECTIONS BTN TWY D11 AND TWY D CLSD. 0700-1300 7,9,11 DEC, 07 DEC 07:00 2009 UNTIL 11 DEC 13:00 2009. CREATED: 28 NOV 02:36 2009 A8571/09 - RWY17R/35L CLSD DUE TO MAINT. DURING CLOSURE PERIOD, ACFT SHALL CROSS RWY17R/35L VIA TWY C4,TWY D3,TWY C9 AND TWY D9 ONLY. 0700-1300 7,9,11 DEC, 07 DEC 07:00 2009 UNTIL 11 DEC 13:00 2009. CREATED: 28 NOV 02:33 2009 |
LGB
Seems they do have an MD-11F Z-BAV s/n 48408 delivered to Avient 20/11/2009 ex HL7372/PR-LGD BRgds |
LGB Seems they do have an MD-11F Z-BAV s/n 48408 delivered to Avient 20/11/2009 ex HL7372/PR-LGD BRgds |
Presumably it is this one
http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/2/4...1256528444.jpg http://www.shanghaidaily.com/NewsIma..._420986_02.jpg |
The small aircraft photo above in 11Fan post was too small. I suggest it was a MD11. I saw thick black smoke billow from the crash site for more than 30 minutes.
Weather today was good in ZSPD. 10km vis, wind calm maybe 10 knots at the time. Airport closed for about an hour and a half. Aircraft crash site was approx 500 m (my estimate) past the runway end |
Avient website cfms MD11
Avient Limited Specialising in Air Cargo to Africa and the World |
Reply to LGB
Maybe RWY 35R |
The Dash 8 photo was clearly just journalistic sloppiness.
It was, it seems, an MD11, in which case the acft had been in service for barely over a week. |
Will this mean the end near for SMJ-ops into EC ? I never quite understood why so many African countries are on the blacklist these days, yet Zimbabwe not. Hard to believe they are any better organized than Angola or Congo or....
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According to Aviation Herald it was indeed Z-BAV.Overran runway on departure to Bishkek and caught fire but suggestion is only 3 out of 7 on board are fatalities.
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Seems that the aircrafts final resting place was too far away from the runway end to be a failed RTO. I believe it got airbourne.
My guess is it was not gaining enough height after take off for whatever reason at hit an obstacle. It ended up here. Extended centreline 35R..... see below [IMG]http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/01f65a6b76.jpg[/IMG] |
Where did you get that info from Biggles 72?
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Where did you get that info from Biggles 72? |
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Very sad. Had a British Flying Spanner on board, no more info ... Crash: Avient Aviation MD11 at Shanghai on Nov 28th 2009, overran runway on takeoff
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Dear Brandtzag:
"Loss of power or as for african cargo ops - notoriously over loaded?" I beg your pardon Bwana, not another overloaded African Ops. Headquarters based in England, aircraft based in Vatry and Liege, run by Europeans!!! Suppose you wanted to say: "Loss of power or as for European Ops - notoriously over loaded!!" |
The report on TVB Pearl, HK.. (OK not the most authoritative source...) says it was an MD 11 for AVIENT, that it had an American pilot, that it had 'crew from Indonesia' and that there are 3 dead, 4 in hospital. The plane according to the eye witnesses took a long time to get airborne and then crashed.
The crash caused some flight delays. |
The delivery from Miami to Liege was postponed several times due to fuel pump problems. Maybe it caught the crew at the worst moment.
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I beg your pardon Bwana, not another overloaded African Ops. Headquarters based in England, aircraft based in Vatry and Liege, run by Europeans!!! p.s. according to their website their head office is in Harare. |
It might SAY that, but it's run from UK and has been as long as I've personally known them.
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A Zimbabwian registered aircraft
A crash in China A Cargo Aircraft An Aircraft type that is out of production An aircraft manufacturer that no longer exists What sort of investigation can we expect? there are always lessons to be learnt from sad incidents like this I hope we do find out what happened so it can be prevented in future |
It might SAY that, but it's run from UK and has been as long as I've personally known them. |
What sort of investigation can we expect? there are always lessons to be learnt from sad incidents like this I hope we do find out what happened so it can be prevented in future If it's mostly crew or dispatch related and no new lessons learned, then don't expect to see anything other than internet chatter. I suppose that there can be other issues, but for this specfic accident I can't think of any? |
In that case, wouldn't you think it's a bit strange that a few of those dodgy African cargo operators (MK anyone?) are 'based' in the UK and thus gaining access to the EU market? How do they get away with it? C o' G |
Earlier issue with same aircraft?
Per ASN Network, note the pics
"The Zimbabwe-registered aircraft's tail struck the ground on takeoff..." - If that is true, then this would not be the first time this aircraft's tail touched the ground: Planepictures.net search: Registration: HL7372 |
A quick search on Freight Dogs and you will find a lot written about this airline and its owner Mr. Andrew Smith.
This is a Zimbabwean airline with headquarters in Salisbury, Wiltshire, United Kingdom. It operated from Vatry France for years and then in Sept this year did a moonlight flight to Liege Belgium allegedly leaving behind massive debts, then almost out of nowhere a month later they get a MD11F and within a couple of weeks of operating the aircraft this happens...... Some links previously posted: UN Criticizes UK for Failing to Clamp Down on Mercenaries - Financial Times "Avient provided military assistance to the unelected Congolese government's air force in 1999 and 2000 during the war against rebel forces. " How a Perfect English Gent in a Rural Idyll Profits From a Bloody African War - Observer "But an Observer investigation has uncovered evidence that behind the doors of a luxury house on the edge of the village, Andrew Smith runs a business empire which has made a fortune from a bloody African civil war that has claimed millions of lives. " How British Army Man Organised Bombing Raids, Mercenary Operations - The East African "The Observer newspaper also alleges that Smith ran a mercenary operation in the DRC and had documents showing that the former army captain had traded with the notorious Ukrainian arms dealer Leonid Minin (see The EastAfrican, November 18-24)." UN cuts details of Western profiteers from Congo report, The Independent "Avient is run by a former British Army captain, Andrew Smith. In the last panel report, the company was said to have been contracted to stage bombing raids over eastern Congo in 1999 and 2000. It also allegedly sold six attack helicopters to the Kinshasa government last year. " Final Report of the Panel of Experts on the Illegal Exploitation of Natural Resources and Other Forms of Wealth of the Democratic Republic of the Congo - UN Security Council - S/2002/1146 "In April 2002, Avient Air brokered the sale of six attack helicopters to the Kinshasa Government. Bank records show several transactions between Avient and accused trafficker Leonid Minim. Under the management of Andrew Smith, a former British army captain, Gerry O'Brien and Lewis Kling, Avient was contracted to organize bombing raids into eastern D.R. Congo in 1999 and 2000." A Catalogue of Failures: G8 Arms Exports and Human Rights Violations - Amnesty International "Another example is the Zimbabwean company, Avient, with management links to the UK, which was reported to have hired Russian aircraft and air crew to support the government of Laurent Kabila in the Congo with "air drops", and also admitted to repairing and maintaining Russian MIG fighters for the Kabila regime." Regulating weapons deals: The case for European Controls on arms brokers - Oxfam (pdf file, right-click & save) "British citizen, Andrew Smith, resident in Wiltshire, was named by a UN report for organising bombing raids in DRC on behalf of President Joseph Kabila. He is also alleged to have brokered the sale of six attack helicopters to DRC government last April. He side-stepped EU arms embargos by operating through his company, Avient, registered in Zimbabwe." |
A/c may be "Z" reg but company is based in UK, crews are trained here at the sims in Crawley to UK standards and class 1 medicals done in UK also!!
The crews are worldwide including many form Stateside and Europe!! This is not a case of just africans loading up and going! Sky news reports that a/c struck the runway with its tail on rotation. |
3 Americans killed in Shanghai plane crash - CNN.com
CNN reporting 3 the crew dead are Americans. The remaining crew, 4 are in hospital. Man, what's up with all these MD-11 crashes? She's a beautiful airplane, but ever since she entered cargo service, seems to be a lot of crashes. |
Sad to see another one go down. If you check other posts on the MD-11, one recurring theme: it must be flown precisely. I retired off it with 5000 hrs. and it's the only thing I've flown that I was still not entirely comfortable with.
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In that case, wouldn't you think it's a bit strange that a few of those dodgy African cargo operators (MK anyone?) are 'based' in the UK and thus gaining access to the EU market? How do they get away with it? |
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