PC12 down in Nevada
Any tips on maintaining minimum ice speed in the climb for this particular model ?
Any thoughts on Va, Vb for this particular model ?
Some aircraft have very large differences between cruise and Va , Vb this particular model may fall into that group . If the tracking speeds are accurate he was already forty knots over Va in an area of reported light to moderate chop turbulence and an area forecast to have moderate to severe turbulence warning .
Any thoughts on Va, Vb for this particular model ?
Some aircraft have very large differences between cruise and Va , Vb this particular model may fall into that group . If the tracking speeds are accurate he was already forty knots over Va in an area of reported light to moderate chop turbulence and an area forecast to have moderate to severe turbulence warning .
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NTSB says the plane broke up in flight:
https://www.kolotv.com/2023/02/25/ca...s-lyon-county/
The path shown in post #7 shows a spiral descent of approximate diameter 1/2 mile. The distance between Seneca and Seminole roads is 1/2 mile according to my guestimate from Google Maps
https://www.kolotv.com/2023/02/25/ca...s-lyon-county/
The path shown in post #7 shows a spiral descent of approximate diameter 1/2 mile. The distance between Seneca and Seminole roads is 1/2 mile according to my guestimate from Google Maps
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The NTSB sent a full investigation team of 11 members to the site and held a news conference on Sunday to discuss their initial findings.The investigators said part of the right wing, the horizontal stabilizer and elevator all separated from the plane and found about 1,200 yards from the main wreckage.
. As uncomfortable as the question may be, I would like to know the situation of the patient in this case, but I'm betting that we won't find that out.
Rates of $ 30 k per flying hour are not uncommon.
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In general, patients in fixed wing air ambulance operations are more stable than those who need rotor wing medivac. In my opinion, those who fly their choppers are true unsung heros. I would also like to say flight nurses in this field are equally or even more courageous and skilled in their own profession.
From Reno to SLC in the snowy wx by PC-12. Who knows what was the true reason for this medivac ops. As 20driver mentions, I have heard many stories of lucrative deal in air ambulance ops, especially with Native American/First Nation contracts.
From Reno to SLC in the snowy wx by PC-12. Who knows what was the true reason for this medivac ops. As 20driver mentions, I have heard many stories of lucrative deal in air ambulance ops, especially with Native American/First Nation contracts.
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I did Medical air ambulance in Eastern Canada for a number of years, it was demanding flying however trips were cancelled due weather and there was no pressure to complete the trip, we simply waited until it was operationally safe to go.
This post from B2N2 is right on the money!
Pick one…
I flew aeromedical in WA in the PC12 - the 45, 47 & 47E (NG). The 45 AP would regularly drop out even in light turbulence (but could be reset by the pilot). Additionally, the pilot (& medical crew) always knew the patient priority.
Regretfully, management dictated that low priority patients would be transferred at night despite advice from the pilot body that low priority patients should only be transported by day. Management’s main concern is getting the patients collected, rather than the safety of aeromedical crews. In north-west WA, if the one & only engine stops, you’re likely to be in big trouble given the lack of available landing areas with lighting.
Unfortunately, one of these types of accidents will have to happen to drive change…
Just my 2 lire’s worth of how things are done on other parts of the globe.
RIP to all involved in this tragedy…
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- Night
- IMC
- Icing
- Bad weather
- Single pilot
Pick one…
I flew aeromedical in WA in the PC12 - the 45, 47 & 47E (NG). The 45 AP would regularly drop out even in light turbulence (but could be reset by the pilot). Additionally, the pilot (& medical crew) always knew the patient priority.
Regretfully, management dictated that low priority patients would be transferred at night despite advice from the pilot body that low priority patients should only be transported by day. Management’s main concern is getting the patients collected, rather than the safety of aeromedical crews. In north-west WA, if the one & only engine stops, you’re likely to be in big trouble given the lack of available landing areas with lighting.
Unfortunately, one of these types of accidents will have to happen to drive change…
Just my 2 lire’s worth of how things are done on other parts of the globe.
RIP to all involved in this tragedy…
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I flew aeromedical in WA in the PC12 - the 45, 47 & 47E (NG). The 45 AP would regularly drop out even in light turbulence (but could be reset by the pilot). Additionally, the pilot (& medical crew) always knew the patient priority.
Regretfully, management dictated that low priority patients would be transferred at night despite advice from the pilot body that low priority patients should only be transported by day. Management’s main concern is getting the patients collected, rather than the safety of aeromedical crews. In north-west WA, if the one & only engine stops, you’re likely to be in big trouble given the lack of available landing areas with lighting.
Unfortunately, one of these types of accidents will have to happen to drive change… Just my 2 lire’s worth of how things are done on other parts of the globe. VH-MLE
Regretfully, management dictated that low priority patients would be transferred at night despite advice from the pilot body that low priority patients should only be transported by day. Management’s main concern is getting the patients collected, rather than the safety of aeromedical crews. In north-west WA, if the one & only engine stops, you’re likely to be in big trouble given the lack of available landing areas with lighting.
Unfortunately, one of these types of accidents will have to happen to drive change… Just my 2 lire’s worth of how things are done on other parts of the globe. VH-MLE
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I used to fly into Kingston Ontario regularly and there was often a Medivac on the ramp. Usually a B 1900, twin pilot.
The conditions those companies operate under is completely different than the US. They are a cost plus service contractor to the Health Service who are pretty stingy.
Even then there was waste but no price gouging.
The pilots told me they were never put under pressure. The biggest issue was often inbound to native reserves with gravel strips , no ATC or local weather.
They seemed to like the flying. As they were all young it was a stepping stone job.
I used to fly into Kingston Ontario regularly and there was often a Medivac on the ramp. Usually a B 1900, twin pilot.
The conditions those companies operate under is completely different than the US. They are a cost plus service contractor to the Health Service who are pretty stingy.
Even then there was waste but no price gouging.
The pilots told me they were never put under pressure. The biggest issue was often inbound to native reserves with gravel strips , no ATC or local weather.
They seemed to like the flying. As they were all young it was a stepping stone job.
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Victims of Nevada medical plane crash identified - CBS News
Slightly more up to date news, the pilot apparently learned to fly when he was about 40 years old. Patient was 69, and his wife 66. Medics 32 and 27 .All very sad.
Slightly more up to date news, the pilot apparently learned to fly when he was about 40 years old. Patient was 69, and his wife 66. Medics 32 and 27 .All very sad.
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I used to fly into Kingston Ontario regularly and there was often a Medivac on the ramp. Usually a B 1900, twin pilot.
The conditions those companies operate under is completely different than the US. They are a cost plus service contractor to the Health Service who are pretty stingy.
Even then there was waste but no price gouging.
The pilots told me they were never put under pressure. The biggest issue was often inbound to native reserves with gravel strips , no ATC or local weather.
They seemed to like the flying. As they were all young it was a stepping stone job.
I used to fly into Kingston Ontario regularly and there was often a Medivac on the ramp. Usually a B 1900, twin pilot.
The conditions those companies operate under is completely different than the US. They are a cost plus service contractor to the Health Service who are pretty stingy.
Even then there was waste but no price gouging.
The pilots told me they were never put under pressure. The biggest issue was often inbound to native reserves with gravel strips , no ATC or local weather.
They seemed to like the flying. As they were all young it was a stepping stone job.