Antique aircraft down in Kent?
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Apparently at Pent Farm.
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Live updates as 'light aircraft crashes in field' near Folkestone
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-...rashes-3118124
https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-...rashes-3118124
A beautiful Tiger Moth restored by the owner, who sadly was the fatality. A great guy, who I was talking to about his aeroplane only a few weeks ago at Pent Farm. Tragic
Reports now suggest that the aircraft hit an electricity pylon. One fatality (51) and one seriously injured (40s), no confirmation yet of which was the pilot. Next of kin have been informed.
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Unfortunately I think this message is concerning my (ex-)uncle. We did get this night a phone call that he passed away by an aircraft crash... He was Belgian and restaurated in England historic aircrafts. I came across this website/forum in my search for more information about the crash. My dad is now travelling to England...
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Very sad for your family Kjell....
You may find more information and discussion posted here as it becomes known. Sometimes a little speculation, but we try to keep that to a minimum. Many pilots like to discuss accidents to help in building skills to be better themselves, and learn from sad events, to prevent repeating them.
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Though I have happily never had any experience with pilot incapacitation, I have had occasion a number of times (as a volunteer firefighter) to witness people having incapacitating medical events. I have witnessed people going rigid, and people going limp. I have never witnessed a person apply forceful asymmetric body motions. Slumping forward on the controls likely, applying them asymmetrically, less so...
Though I have happily never had any experience with pilot incapacitation, I have had occasion a number of times (as a volunteer firefighter) to witness people having incapacitating medical events. I have witnessed people going rigid, and people going limp. I have never witnessed a person apply forceful asymmetric body motions. Slumping forward on the controls likely, applying them asymmetrically, less so...
I'm suspect most TPs would return a similar 'surely the pilot would have noticed' response to most pre-impact control inputs! For the AAIB to suggest incapacitation as a counter argument is a bit silly really. I'd suggest it likely that the pilot initiated a go-around in response to something!
Given that there was difficulty in communication between the two cockpits. I wonder if confusion arose as to who was doing what. I recall and accident many years ago, also in a biplane - possibly a Tiger. Both survived, when after a go around each pilot thought the other was flying - a take over not properly heard. . It was said to be the only accident they knew of where both pilots had their arms folded !
That seems as likely as the 'incapacitation' option. Two experienced pilots involved- perhaps the owner started the go around then handed back control but that was not heard. Or maybe the owner felt the slots locking and the light control follow through and concluded the other chap was again flying her.
A very sad event - which rather reinforces my feeling, from personal experience, that the unintended 'underarousal' effect of flying with another known experienced pilot can reduce safety, ironically.
That seems as likely as the 'incapacitation' option. Two experienced pilots involved- perhaps the owner started the go around then handed back control but that was not heard. Or maybe the owner felt the slots locking and the light control follow through and concluded the other chap was again flying her.
A very sad event - which rather reinforces my feeling, from personal experience, that the unintended 'underarousal' effect of flying with another known experienced pilot can reduce safety, ironically.
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"The features of the accident site and the degree and location of the aircraft damage were consistent with the aircraft being in an incipient or developed spin to the right at impact."
This sounds typical of a simple stall/spin accident. Unlike for the first departure, no mention is made of the speed during the unplanned go-around which had a low level turn at a weight that could have been close to maximum.
"They went through the same start procedure and ensured the trim was set fully forward with the slots locked for takeoff."
"They made a normal right hand circuit with the passenger flying and he unlocked the slots and set the trim for landing."
"The passenger released the control stick but followed through lightly on the rudder pedals and, during the takeoff roll he locked the slots."
I have flown a Moth with 'slots'. The only time I ever locked them was for practice stalls(never did aerobatics). Is it normal for some pilots to lock the slots for takeoff? wouldn't that increase the stall speed?
This sounds typical of a simple stall/spin accident. Unlike for the first departure, no mention is made of the speed during the unplanned go-around which had a low level turn at a weight that could have been close to maximum.
"They went through the same start procedure and ensured the trim was set fully forward with the slots locked for takeoff."
"They made a normal right hand circuit with the passenger flying and he unlocked the slots and set the trim for landing."
"The passenger released the control stick but followed through lightly on the rudder pedals and, during the takeoff roll he locked the slots."
I have flown a Moth with 'slots'. The only time I ever locked them was for practice stalls(never did aerobatics). Is it normal for some pilots to lock the slots for takeoff? wouldn't that increase the stall speed?
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From memory I thought Bramson said in "The Tiger Moth Story" that slats should be locked for taxying...
Pilot`s Notes I have state `slats locked for taxiing,spinning and aerobatics`.and `unlocked for t/off and landing`...it is a copy of RAAF P N..
I`ve wondered about this accident if it was possibly a jammed foot,or heel that could have caused the problem..
I recall once having got my foot to slip off the pedals in either a Tiger or a Stampe whilst checking the controls on the ground,as the heel was stuck...Don`t recall if it was mentioned in the report,as I don`t seem to be able to access it... Stampes usually also have straps,for inverted flight,so it is usually possible to `pull ` the pedal..
I`ve wondered about this accident if it was possibly a jammed foot,or heel that could have caused the problem..
I recall once having got my foot to slip off the pedals in either a Tiger or a Stampe whilst checking the controls on the ground,as the heel was stuck...Don`t recall if it was mentioned in the report,as I don`t seem to be able to access it... Stampes usually also have straps,for inverted flight,so it is usually possible to `pull ` the pedal..
