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AA A321 takes off after smashing ground sign

Old 16th Apr 2019, 20:55
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Seen it plenty of times where the downwind wing in a swept wing jet is allowed to drop at rotation due to the PF being slow or not anticipating.

But this sounds like such a large lateral movement to end up that far off the centerline in a narrow body that you naturally feel there is more to the story than poor rotation technique.

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Old 17th Apr 2019, 16:47
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LOL. Must be a near cousin of Lord Flasheart this guy.


"Captain Darling? Funny name for a guy isn't it? Last person I called darling was pregant twenty seconds later"
Hehe! I was watching that episode just a couple of days ago. Now let's go inside and talk about me.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 17:34
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If it turn out that crew skill was a contributing factor, then that will be fair game for comment. However, there are other possible causes. In fact, it is entirely possible that crew skill kept this incident from becoming a hull loss. Why don't we hold judgement until there is at least a preliminary report?
One of the best posts I've seen in these forums!

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Old 17th Apr 2019, 18:17
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Pilot says it was an un-commanded roll

American A321 suffers un-commanded roll during takeoff incident
  • 17 April, 2019
  • SOURCE: Flight Dashboard
  • BY: Jon Hemmerdinger
  • Boston
An American Airlines Airbus A321 experienced what a pilot called an “un-commanded” roll and struck runway equipment during takeoff on 10 April from New York John F Kennedy.

The aircraft took off from the airport at about 20:40 local time, bound for Los Angeles as American flight 300.

“When we departed… strong roll to the left… as we climbed out,” the pilot told air traffic controllers shortly after takeoff, according to an audio recording from LiveATC.net.
“We were banking… Uncontrolled bank 45 to the left.”
“Turbulence from another aircraft?” the pilot adds.
“I don’t think so. There’s a good crosswind, but we had an un-commanded roll to the left as we rotated.”

The pilot also tells controllers that the aircraft was at that point “flying great”, and he requests clearance to return to JFK, where the A321 landed without incident at 21:09.

The US Federal Aviation Administration is investigating, it says.

“The pilot reported that the Airbus A321 may have collided with an object during departure earlier in the evening,” the FAA tells FlightGlobal. “After the aircraft landed, workers discovered damage to the left wing, possibly caused by striking a runway sign and airport light.”

American confirms in a statement to FlightGlobal that the aircraft “struck an object upon departure”, adding it is investigating the incident in
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 18:54
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The NTSB is going to take a look:

NTSB is investigating the April 10, 2019, accident at JFK International Airport, New York, involving an American Airlines A321, operating as American Airlines flight 300, which experienced a roll during takeoff and hit a runway distance marker with the left wingtip.
10:36 AM - 17 Apr 2019


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Old 17th Apr 2019, 20:33
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One of the best posts I've seen in these forums!
Why, because you are not foreign? Take a look at a couple of other threads around here, to see how it usually goes down...
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 00:05
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This from AVH - passenger allegedly on board the flight:

" I was aboard this aircraft. The take off was fast, rather quick and felt short. Then we pitched down and banked right (left wing up) and then left (right wing up) and the back felt to skid out sideways, I was in the window seat just behind the left wing. Then it felt like the pilot pulled the aircraft up manually. He continued to make very strong left and right banks while in the air before we circled back to JFK. He made an announcement that we had a major computer failure, but that he had control of the airplane and that we'll be making an emergency landing. I watched the metal flap above the wind the whole 43 mins we were in the air. The flight attendants went to the exit rows and said "this is not a drill" can you open the emergency doors to the passengers. I want to hear the audio and see the faa report. If anyone knows how long or where to look for this information that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you "
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 01:17
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The passenger's description sounds a lot like the recent BA incident at Gibraltar.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 02:02
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/america...irst-reported/

​​​​​​A close call for American Airlines Flight 300 at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport now appears far worse than first reported. Sources tell CBS News the Airbus with 102 passengers and eight crew on board "nearly crashed" last week when the wing scraped the ground and hit a sign and light pole during takeoff.

"We were banking, uncontrolled bank 45 degrees to the left," a pilot could be heard saying on the air traffic control audio of the incident.

"Turbulence from another aircraft?"

"I don't think so. There's a good cross wind but we had an uncommanded roll to the left as we rotated," he responded.

One source briefed on the incident told CBS News: "That was as close as anybody would ever want to come to crashing." According to people familiar with the ongoing investigation, preliminary indicators are that there was a "loss of control" on takeoff, reports CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave.

The Airbus A321 took off around 8:40 p.m. on April 10, bound for Los Angeles. But just as the plane was beginning to lift off, it rolled to the left, causing the wing tip to scrape the ground. The wing then hit a runway sign and a light pole before pilots managed to regain control and continued the takeoff. The force of the impact bent the wing.

The flight returned to JFK 28 minutes later with no injuries reported. American Airlines tells CBS News, the airline "is investigating this incident in coordination with federal authorities."

The FAA is investigating and have not determined why the plane banked sharply at a critical moment of takeoff. The NTSB has requested data from the incident. After this report, the NTSB also announced a formal investigation, saying in the statement: "The FAA, American Airlines, and the Allied Pilots Association will be parties to the NTSB's investigation, and the BEA of France has designated an Accredited Representative as the state of design and manufacture of the airplane with Airbus as their technical advisor."
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Some pictures from social media:





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Old 18th Apr 2019, 03:42
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It can be seen that not only the wingtip dragged the ground, but even the aileron shows abrasion from being deflected to lift the wing. The absence of any earth around the abrasion spot suggests to me that it dragged pavement or concrete only. And the wing hit several things, not just one....
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 04:57
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More from the NTSB:

AA Flight 300: Team of 6, consisting of an investigator in charge & technical subject matter experts in vehicle recorders, flight ops, aircraft systems & performance assigned to investigation. NTSB not planning to send investigators to the scene, but will if/when needed.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 09:39
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According to an audio recording form liveatc "we were banking... unconrolled bank 45 to the left."

this is so pathetic..
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 09:46
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What's more pathetic are some Americans pilots in various sites and FB group blaming the aircraft. It's either the foreign aircraft or foreign pilots' fault.

Let them believe they're God's gift to aviation...
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 11:10
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Good demonstration of wing strength - hit a sign at ~150mph, with the thinnest part of the wing, only got a couple of dents and was still flyable.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 11:59
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
What's more pathetic are some Americans pilots in various sites and FB group blaming the aircraft. It's either the foreign aircraft or foreign pilots' fault.

Let them believe they're God's gift to aviation...
It appears it was in fact a aircraft malfunction. More will come out in the next few days.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 13:09
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Originally Posted by Pilot DAR View Post
And the wing hit several things, not just one....
You don't think the two impact points are just from the two uprights that support the "distance remaining" sign (one of which still appears to be embedded in the L/E) ?

Using the wing chord as a reference, they appear to be around 4 feet apart, which sounds about right.

Hitting two separate items of airfield furniture would be particularly unfortunate, and it's not immediately obvious what a second one could have been.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 13:25
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767 View Post


It appears it was in fact a aircraft malfunction. More will come out in the next few days.
Agreed... Can we just wait to see some actual facts before pointing the finger at anyone or anything!
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 13:31
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
What's more pathetic are some Americans pilots in various sites and FB group blaming the aircraft. It's either the foreign aircraft or foreign pilots' fault.

Let them believe they're God's gift to aviation...
Take a stroll over to the Atlas Air 767 thread and see if you still believe this to be the case.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 13:36
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Originally Posted by 737 Driver View Post
Take a stroll over to the Atlas Air 767 thread and see if you still believe this to be the case.
Can't believe how long it is taking to get some real facts from either the FAA or NTSB on that accident.
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