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Small plane crashes into house in California 1 + 4 fatalities

Old 5th Feb 2019, 00:14
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Originally Posted by The Ancient Geek View Post
My best guess is loss of control in cloud followed by pulling excessive G trying to avoid the ground when he popped out of cloud at low level.
Was the pilot instument rated and current ?
The FAA database shows:

Certificate: COMMERCIAL PILOT
Date of Issue: 6/4/2008

Ratings:
COMMERCIAL PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE
ROTORCRAFT-HELICOPTER
Limits: ENGLISH PROFICIENT.



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Old 5th Feb 2019, 02:51
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Audio Track

Listening to the audio track of the accident, but not knowing whether the bang at the end was the collision with the ground or the inflight breakup, I am reminded of the sound of WW-2 fighters doing a high g pullup. There is a dramatic doppler drop just before the bang.
I am guessing that the bang is the sound of the breakup, and the dramatic drop in doppler corresponds to a high g pullup but at the moment we do not know the geometric relationship of the microphone to the aircraft's flight path.
I would expect that ATC radars and audio will have significant information as to what transpired in this accident.
This is looking more like a loss of control accident as others have suggested.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 03:09
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Air Safety Investigator Maja Smith examines the wreckage in these pictures released by the NTSB:




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Old 5th Feb 2019, 03:41
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post

Similarities with the Emiliano Sala incient ?

Twin vs Single
7000ft vs 2300ft
Single occupant vs dodgy passenger transport
Instrument rated vs not properly rated
Over land vs over water
Warm CA vs icy UK

I'd be tempted to ask what on earth you're smoking. The only similarity appears to be "an airplane crashed".
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 06:19
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nvm.............
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 08:55
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Another video with sound:

https://video.nest.com/clip/64a943ef...d7b337d5ab.mp4
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 09:49
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It's been many years since I flew turbocharged twin Cessnas but I do remember the importance of the "V-clamp AD" that required frequent inspections of the exhaust system. The AD came about after several accidents where the exhaust fittings had come loose, leaking hot exhaust gas and igniting a magnesium and avgas fueled fire which would burn right through the wing spar in no time.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 12:56
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I just watched another video which mentioned that the pilot was a retired police officer, 75 years old, so it is possible that some medical event/pilot incapacitation took place.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 16:07
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Listening to the video bafandguy posted, the first part sounds more like a single than a twin - bit like a big Extra diving in to begin a display?
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 17:06
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Originally Posted by keebird View Post
It's been many years since I flew turbocharged twin Cessnas but I do remember the importance of the "V-clamp AD" that required frequent inspections of the exhaust system. The AD came about after several accidents where the exhaust fittings had come loose, leaking hot exhaust gas and igniting a magnesium and avgas fueled fire which would burn right through the wing spar in no time.
You would be very unlucky to have that happen to both engines/wings at the same time.

Though I guess having it happen even on one side means your luck has just run out ...
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 21:20
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Yorba Linda plane crash: Pilot was carrying false credentials that ID'd him as ex-Chicago police officer


https://abc7.com/oc-plane-crash-pilo...x-cop/5121959/
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 06:19
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Pilot seems to own a restaurant in an obscure Nevada city

https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/lo...a-linda-crash/

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@39.16...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 10:19
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What exactly is obscure with Carson City? It is a well enough known place.

Apparently he did own another place before that in his resident city of Gardnerville NV which closed in 2014. Gardnerville is in close proximity to Carson City, the airport of Minden, where he was based is in between the two.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 15:31
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Vne Excedance?

The small plane ascended to about 7,800 feet before it crashed about 10 minutes after taking off from the Fullerton Municipal Airport, National Transportation Safety Board investigator Maja Smith said.
The propeller noises on the two tapes, even after accounting for doppler effects, appear to indicate an RPM higher than red line for that type of engine. Considering that the aircraft was equipped with constant speed propellers, that would be remarkable, and indicative of an aircraft well in excess of its maximum design speed. The videos of the breakup indicate an extreme nose down state prior to the breakup.

Short of instrument failure or pilot incapacitation, this type of loss of control accident should not occur to a competent instrument pilot.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 16:07
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He changed his name according to his daughter:

Julia Ackley said her her father was known as Antonio or Tony Pastini but was born Jordan Isaacson and was an experienced pilot.


https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/I-Just-Love-Him-More-Than-Anything-Woman-Mourns-Hero-Fathers-Loss-505334071.html

An alias and a fake badge? Hmmm...
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 17:00
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
An alias and a fake badge? Hmmm...
I personally know a policeman (and this pilot supposedly was a former police officer) who had to change his name and move to a different place in order to protect himself and his family. Some of the guys they help put up in state care really seek revenge once they come out again... So there could be a good reason for this guy to change his identity.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 18:42
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In the video posted by bafanguy you can actually see the reflection of the inflight fire on the wet footpath to the right.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 22:29
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Anybody have an idea of what the freezing level might have been?
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 02:36
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Originally Posted by what next View Post
I personally know a policeman (and this pilot supposedly was a former police officer) who had to change his name and move to a different place in order to protect himself and his family. Some of the guys they help put up in state care really seek revenge once they come out again... So there could be a good reason for this guy to change his identity.
Yeah, the thought of witness protection occurred to me, too. Surely the daughter would know if he'd served on the force under the other name?

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Old 7th Feb 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by Katamarino View Post
Twin vs Single
7000ft vs 2300ft
Single occupant vs dodgy passenger transport
Instrument rated vs not properly rated
Over land vs over water
Warm CA vs icy UK

I'd be tempted to ask what on earth you're smoking. The only similarity appears to be "an airplane crashed".
may have been alluding to inflight loss of control, possibly weather a factor....
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