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Old 21st Apr 2019, 20:06
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I hear from a reliable source the ill fated aircraft was used on a regular basis flying jockeys to racecourses.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 20:46
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BBC Wales running this update.

Cardiff City will insist that agents and intermediaries book only commercial flights when handling player transfers after the death of Emiliano Sala.

Sala, 28, died when the plane carrying him from Nantes to Cardiff crashed late on 21 January, and the legality of the flight has been questioned.

The club said it would be calling on football's governing bodies and other clubs to follow suit.

The aviation trade body believes illegal flights are common in the UK.

Air accident investigators are still looking into why the Piper Malibu plane carrying Sala to Cardiff for his first training session crashed into the English Channel.

The light aircraft was piloted by David Ibbotson, from Crowle, North Lincolnshire, whose body has not been found.

The legality of Sala's flight has not yet been established, but a preliminary report from air accident investigators in February said the pilot was not licensed to carry fee-paying passengers and the plane was not registered for commercial flights.

Cardiff City said it "wholeheartedly" backs the Air Charter Association's (BACA) calls "to secure a review of illegal flights".

The organisation argued the crash "must be a watershed moment", and called for better enforcement and heavier punishments for pilots and individuals who undertake illegal flights.

"We have long argued that illegal flights are harming the legal air charter industry and putting lives of the travelling public at risk," said BACA chief executive Dave Edwards.

Cardiff and Penarth MP Stephen Doughty supports the calls, adding: "We need to make sure this is never allowed to happen again."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48031453
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 22:37
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Would you class a private jet (either Turbofan or Turbo prop) as a 'commercial flight' if its fully licensed, run under the terms of an AOC and flown by fully qualified, type rated and adequately experienced ATPLS?
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 18:42
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Originally Posted by Edward Teach
Would you class a private jet (either Turbofan or Turbo prop) as a 'commercial flight' if its fully licensed, run under the terms of an AOC and flown by fully qualified, type rated and adequately experienced ATPLS?
You may find the CAA Summary at the following link helpful in dealing with this question

:SUMMARY OF THE MEANING OF COMMERCIAL AIR TRANSPORT, PUBLIC TRANSPORT & AERIAL WORK


https://webarchive.nationalarchives....009May2010.pdf
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 12:40
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I heard very tragic news just now on BBC Radio 4 of the sudden death of Sala's father from a heart attack at age 58.

Having lost a relative (my father) much too young at age 64 to a sudden heart attack when he was still in the midst of everything I can only begin to imagine the mental and emotional torment Mr Sala senior has been going through and while he may have had an underlying heart problem I highly doubt his death would have occurred this early in life without the appalling devastation of their place in the world and their financial situation that their son's tragic and wholly unnecessary death will have caused.

If Mr Ibbotson could be called to account he surely has an awful lot to answer for, although as unlike the pilot in the Shoreham crash or the pilot flying the Tiger Moth in which my late Uncle was killed in 1958 (in his early 20s) he did not survive while everyone else died he is at least saved from that ordeal.

I wonder if the Sala family will possibly now consider suing either of the two football clubs regarding the circumstances of their son's death or if there is watertight proof that Mr Sala acted completely on his own and without their knowledge in making these travel arrangements.
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 15:39
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Blimey this is still running. Who's Henderson?
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 18:34
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo
Blimey this is still running. Who's Henderson?
BACA has referred to this incident as a " watershed moment ". I agree with them. I hope it does indeed prove to be precisely that.
For that reason I also hope that the monitors of PPRUNE do allow it to remain active. At least such time when we may all come to the knowledge that, at least the heavy price paid by the tragic loss of lives may have been of some future benefit to others. Perhaps, then, we may also get to know who Henderson is.

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Old 26th Apr 2019, 20:58
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of this tragedy: who can not shed tears for what has befallen the Sala family?
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 19:10
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Originally Posted by Jonzarno
Whatever the rights and wrongs of this tragedy: who can not shed tears for what has befallen the Sala family?
A man cries from within, and those with kind hearts are easily overwhelmed by a torrent of tears. Such a man must have been Sala`s father.
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Old 29th Apr 2019, 21:07
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Originally Posted by Echo Romeo
Blimey this is still running. Who's Henderson?
David Hendeson was involved in importing and to a degree operating the Piper Malibu that was flown by Dereck Ibbotson on the night of the tragic accident.

See here


Pilots across the world risk their lives in the lucrative but high-stakes ferry flying industry.

These are men and some women who deliver small planes across oceans and continents; distances these aircraft were not designed to fly.

Pilot Dave Henderson has made almost a hundred transatlantic crossings in light aircraft, sometimes in extreme conditions.

BBC News went to meet Mr Henderson at Retford Gamston Airport and got a rare insight into the largely hidden world of ferry flying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazi...-a-ferry-pilot


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Whatever the rights and wrongs of this tragedy: who can not shed tears for what has befallen the Sala family?
A terrible tragedy Jon.

Thank you for posting a brief insight in to what is a family period of ongoing grief.
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Old 1st May 2019, 16:09
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Originally Posted by Mike Flynn


David Hendeson was involved in importing and to a degree operating the Piper Malibu that was flown by Dereck Ibbotson on the night of the tragic accident.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazi...-a-ferry-pilot




A terrible tragedy Jon.

Thank you for posting a brief insight in to what is a family period of ongoing grief.
when was that BBC report recorded ?
i couldn’t find a copyright date, sorry
thanks
be lucky
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Old 1st May 2019, 17:14
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David,

12 Oct 2015 shows up when I go to that link.

Ironically the photo shows him standing in front of N264DB.
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Old 1st May 2019, 18:22
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Some most disturbing news from the Evening Standard

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a4129691.html

Sickening is the word that comes to mind.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 18:43
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I here there's a new N- PC 12 about to join the racket.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 20:51
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David,

12 Oct 2015 shows up when I go to that link.

Ironically the photo shows him standing in front of N264DB.
Even more ironic watching the video, where he shows the aircraft inside, and talks about issues with icing, and what to do.
Descend into warmer air.
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Old 12th May 2019, 08:42
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Not exactly related, and more of an admin cock-up, but ...

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...nce-for-pilot/

Paul Holroyd (67) of Le Vieux Beaumont, St Peter, appeared in Oxford Crown Court for sentence earlier this month after he admitted not having all of the correct certifications in place.
The Islander was co-piloting a US-registered Dassault Falcon 2000EX EASy private jet – worth up to $30million – between 14 May and 27 October 2017 when he committed the offence.
Now, the Civil Aviation Authority, which prosecuted Holroyd, said that although he held a licence to fly commercially, his ‘type-rating’ – needed to fly a particular model of plane – had not been kept up to date.
A spokesman for the CAA said: ‘We are determined to take action whenever necessary to protect members of the public, including prosecuting pilots who lack the appropriate qualifications to carry out flights.
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Old 12th May 2019, 17:15
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Originally Posted by MPN11
Not exactly related, and more of an admin cock-up, but ...

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...nce-for-pilot/
That`s typical of the CAA, convict a professional pilot nearing the end of an unblemished career, for an admin oversight so as to appear to be doing something about enforcement. Easy meat, lots of records available. But where there are no records, then no action until its too late.
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Old 12th May 2019, 19:57
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Originally Posted by Chronus
That`s typical of the CAA, convict a professional pilot nearing the end of an unblemished career, for an admin oversight so as to appear to be doing something about enforcement. Easy meat, lots of records available. But where there are no records, then no action until its too late.
Does seem like that when you see some of the things we all know are happening and that the CAA don't touch because it's too difficult - prosecuting in the above case does seem disproportionate (unless there is more to it than just overflying an LPC).
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Front page headline news in today's Jersey Evening Post ...sadly not on-line [yet] so I will try to summarise:

Sala crash prompts illegal air 'taxi' warning
At least six aircraft suspected of being used to operate illegal 'taxi' flights in and out of the Channel Islands are being closely monitored by aviation authorities, the director of civil aviation has revealed.
It goes on to elaborate about the cost-sharing aspects, and 'grey charter', The head of the Channel Islands CAA said "I have been trying to terminate these illegal charters since last year and it has been brought to the fore because of the Emilio Sala incident ... It is something that is prevalent in the Island because we are limited in our air services - it has flourished."

Full article now on-line ....

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...ing-monitored/
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Old 13th May 2019, 19:06
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Originally Posted by Chronus
That`s typical of the CAA, convict a professional pilot nearing the end of an unblemished career, for an admin oversight so as to appear to be doing something about enforcement. Easy meat, lots of records available. But where there are no records, then no action until its too late.
He flew 64 flights over 5 1/2 months. That is not an admin oversight. He also entered a plea of guilty to forging documents. That is not an admin oversight.

These are exactly the cases that should be prosecuted.
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