Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
I am slightly confused of the obsession of if it's endorsed Day on the PPL license. As unless it's endorsed with a Night Rating, it's clearly specified in Air Law what "time" you can operate with a PPL license. And it's all in reference to Sunrise and Sunset times, no endorsement to specify DAY ONLY is required on your PPL license, as you should know this from Air Law.
IMC rating is a national UK rating, and would not be allowed to operate under on a N reg aircraft, or in French airspace.
What made D.I make that flight at night, which he was aware of that he was not allowed to make, due to the fact that he did not have the license qualifications to do it, and I am not talking about the Commercial pressure of a bogus cost sharing scheme.
I am more interested in what external pressure was put on the pilot, and by who. No disrespect to the pilot D.I, but he was caught up in a very bad situation, his phone records, and phone records of implicated parties would be a very interesting read indeed.
There is a young man dead, due to external pressure and cowboy charter business. Whatever happen in the final minutes of the flight, Sala should never have been on board that aircraft.
IMC rating is a national UK rating, and would not be allowed to operate under on a N reg aircraft, or in French airspace.
What made D.I make that flight at night, which he was aware of that he was not allowed to make, due to the fact that he did not have the license qualifications to do it, and I am not talking about the Commercial pressure of a bogus cost sharing scheme.
I am more interested in what external pressure was put on the pilot, and by who. No disrespect to the pilot D.I, but he was caught up in a very bad situation, his phone records, and phone records of implicated parties would be a very interesting read indeed.
There is a young man dead, due to external pressure and cowboy charter business. Whatever happen in the final minutes of the flight, Sala should never have been on board that aircraft.
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Looks like it's going to be a multi million court case in this one. Suspect more poo than the shoremam court case after the piece on radio 4 is anything to go by.
Three football clubs 15 million and no insurance. A pilot thats dead with next to zero net worth... And that's not including the poor sods family.
Three football clubs 15 million and no insurance. A pilot thats dead with next to zero net worth... And that's not including the poor sods family.
Looks like it's going to be a multi million court case in this one. Suspect more poo than the shoremam court case after the piece on radio 4 is anything to go by.
Three football clubs 15 million and no insurance. A pilot thats dead with next to zero net worth... And that's not including the poor sods family.
Three football clubs 15 million and no insurance. A pilot thats dead with next to zero net worth... And that's not including the poor sods family.
I actually think all parts should walk away from any monetary claim, these are exceptional circumstances, a young man is dead, clubs and agents does not come out good in this for claiming money.
The agents should donate all their money to the families if they have some shame and decency. However I doubt these greedy f...s will do that. McKay deserves his day in court.
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I keep reading that here, but in what situation was he "caught"? If he indeed held a private pilot licence for daylight VFR flying then any request to carry paying passengers at night in poor weather can only be answered with a single word: No. Anything else is not "being caught" but means actively being part of it.
I keep reading that here, but in what situation was he "caught"? If he indeed held a private pilot licence for daylight VFR flying then any request to carry paying passengers at night in poor weather can only be answered with a single word: No. Anything else is not "being caught" but means actively being part of it.
As I have mentioned before, the pressure would have been on both the PPL and the Football player to arrive on time for his first day at his new job.
Who decided to delay the flight to the night? And why? Sure D.I should have refused to make the flight, however it seems he was not worried to operate outside his legal license privileges.
But McKay as his agent had an obligation to have the player at the club on time for his first day.
The whole debate on this issue, is that PPLs are doing this, and will be exposed of external pressure to get the "job done", as it's expected by all parts.
The biennial record which the CAA hold might be inaccurate. My paper record, in my licence folder, is complete, all revalidations by experience.
Enquiries to the CAA with respect to my English proficiency lead to the information that some years revalidations were not on record.
If I had crashed, and the licence was burned or lost at sea, their records would have shown I was neither legal nor current.
The examiner who signed my form that year would not be known to the CAA, and might not see the accident report, so wouldn't respond.
Enquiries to the CAA with respect to my English proficiency lead to the information that some years revalidations were not on record.
If I had crashed, and the licence was burned or lost at sea, their records would have shown I was neither legal nor current.
The examiner who signed my form that year would not be known to the CAA, and might not see the accident report, so wouldn't respond.
Is it not time that this bolleaux is brought to an end.? Ridiculous comments regarding diving limits by people who obviously don't have a clue and similarly wild speculation on aviation matters. It's obvious that questions are going to be asked but at least have some respect and wait for the official conclusion.
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Is it not time that this bolleaux is brought to an end.? Ridiculous comments regarding diving limits by people who obviously don't have a clue and similarly wild speculation on aviation matters. It's obvious that questions are going to be asked but at least have some respect and wait for the official conclusion.
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Is it not time that this bolleaux is brought to an end.? Ridiculous comments regarding diving limits by people who obviously don't have a clue and similarly wild speculation on aviation matters. It's obvious that questions are going to be asked but at least have some respect and wait for the official conclusion.
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Is it not time that this bolleaux is brought to an end.? Ridiculous comments regarding diving limits by people who obviously don't have a clue and similarly wild speculation on aviation matters. It's obvious that questions are going to be asked but at least have some respect and wait for the official conclusion.
1) The investigation, not the diligent safety investigation being undertaken by the AAIB, but what I assumed would be a concurrent investigation undertaken by the police. An investigation must now be undertaken because there will be an inquest but it seems that justice would have been well served by a swift operation to secure evidence or do the police assume that there are only transgressions of the ANO and can wait until the AAIB have completed their work?
2) I am interested in how many pilots consider the value of passengers for 3rd party liability before agreeing to transport them. There are several football companies who are looking for recompense, as well as people associated with the person who actually booked the flight as well as the family of the passenger. The trustees from Southern Aircraft Consultancy will have protected themselves by way of an Operator Agreement with somebody and no doubt have already passed the name of that person/organisation to the FAA. If the Insurance Policy of the Operator is in any way insufficient, then the Operator/estate of the pilot could be on the wrong end of a multi million pound legal action. Could the estate of the pilot be protected if an actual/implied contract of employment exists with the Operator?
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The biennial record which the CAA hold might be inaccurate. My paper record, in my licence folder, is complete, all revalidations by experience.
Enquiries to the CAA with respect to my English proficiency lead to the information that some years revalidations were not on record.
If I had crashed, and the licence was burned or lost at sea, their records would have shown I was neither legal nor current.
The examiner who signed my form that year would not be known to the CAA, and might not see the accident report, so wouldn't respond.
Enquiries to the CAA with respect to my English proficiency lead to the information that some years revalidations were not on record.
If I had crashed, and the licence was burned or lost at sea, their records would have shown I was neither legal nor current.
The examiner who signed my form that year would not be known to the CAA, and might not see the accident report, so wouldn't respond.
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Ibbotson's family are now attempting to raise £3000,000 through crowdfunding to locate Ibbotson's body, it's not known how they intend to do this and what happens to the fund if he is washed up on a beech somewhere?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/david-ibb...bring-him-home
https://www.gofundme.com/f/david-ibb...bring-him-home
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I tend to agree with clearprop. Rumour is one thing and PPRuNe has proved its worth on this subject many times. However, repeated speculation, incorrect 'facts' and distasteful comments about the deceased are unpleasant and don't do a service to many of the long term contributors on the site - imho.
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Rumors is one thing, but PPRuNe carries 'Pilot' in its name. I see with concern a lot of most probably non-pilots contributing to discussions (or better, I strongly hope some questions are not from pilots), not to speak of the press obviously grabbing information from here (and not always converting it into something originally meant). How can we get on a broader educational scheme to better the information flow to 'ordinary pedestrians'?
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I tend to agree with clearprop
There are some outstanding contributions on this thread, from posters who, like me, wish to see the biggest, brightest spotlight possible turned full on into the murky opaque world of GA aviation regulation...and kept there!
As for decorum, one can only hope all posters show respect and restraint, but anybody following this tragedy, with any knowledge and insight, are going to be scraping their eyebrows off the ceiling at some of stuff being revealed in the press and other sources.
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I don't.
There are some outstanding contributions on this thread, from posters who, like me, wish to see the biggest, brightest spotlight possible turned full on into the murky opaque world of GA aviation regulation...and kept there!
As for decorum, one can only hope all posters show respect and restraint, but anybody following this tragedy, with any knowledge and insight, are going to be scraping their eyebrows off the ceiling at some of stuff being revealed in the press and other sources.
There are some outstanding contributions on this thread, from posters who, like me, wish to see the biggest, brightest spotlight possible turned full on into the murky opaque world of GA aviation regulation...and kept there!
As for decorum, one can only hope all posters show respect and restraint, but anybody following this tragedy, with any knowledge and insight, are going to be scraping their eyebrows off the ceiling at some of stuff being revealed in the press and other sources.
Yes, eyebrows rising and scraping is the reaction of almost every pilot on how stupid one can be.
But, these damn stupid things we saw surfacing the last weeks cannot be cured by regulations.
Being a gangster there is at least brainpower you can work with, but being stupid nothing helps.
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The image of the wreckage is of the left hand side rear but it only amounts to less than half the length of the aircraft. Seems odd that there is no sign of the rest of the fuselage. Surely it cannot be far away ? Correction, the rest of the aircraft is there attached to the wreckage we see but it was not included in the rov image.... am I right this time?
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I agree with ChickenHouse regulation generally makes flying more expensive. More expensive means less hours, less practice and more danger. Regulation is not always the answer. Enforcement of existing regulations MIGHT help but in the end, most pilots exercise good judgment most of the time hence the GA accident rate in the UK at least is impressively low. It seems that a series of bad judgments led to that aircraft/ pilot / passenger being in the air when conditions weren't conducive to a successful outcome for whatever reason. It's very sad but had this been a car accident, everyone would have moved on whether or not the driver was a professional.
Yes, this should have been conducted by a professional pilot in an aircraft operating under an AOC. But poor judgment kicked in and that can never be legislated for.
I don't see much murky or opaque about GA regulation and I think suggesting as much is very lazy indeed.
Yes, this should have been conducted by a professional pilot in an aircraft operating under an AOC. But poor judgment kicked in and that can never be legislated for.
I don't see much murky or opaque about GA regulation and I think suggesting as much is very lazy indeed.