Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
....... unfortunately, most are not going there anyway - most are offering any day, any time, any destination, overnights etc etc - "just ask" - to me that's a commercial charter but the UK CAA and EASA don't agree - after the first Wingly crash the courts will decide.
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What the photo shows doesn't resemble the outcome of a successful ditching.
Loss of control from disorientation or icing seem more likely.
Loss of control from disorientation or icing seem more likely.
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When you find yourself suddenly in the sh*t at 2000ft , communicate is not the first thing that comes to your mind, and would have not helped them much either in this case , switching on manually the ELT would have...
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On the contrast, by international regulations of the sea the scene of an accident on the oceans is a grave. If you want to recover the bodies, it is an exhumation. Somebody authorized has to demand for it, this why the question to the relatives, and in this case has to be authorized by the country on which territory the accident scene is. There are quite some countries where this is impossible and an offense against the deceased by national laws. Anybody here firm in French funeral law?
On the contrast, by international regulations of the sea the scene of an accident on the oceans is a grave. If you want to recover the bodies, it is an exhumation. Somebody authorized has to demand for it, this why the question to the relatives, and in this case has to be authorized by the country on which territory the accident scene is. There are quite some countries where this is impossible and an offense against the deceased by national laws. Anybody here firm in French funeral law?
That said, I would imagine that the family of Sala, and quite possibly also Ibbotson's, would wish to recover the remains of their loved ones. Very sad.
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Thanks for the background. I wonder if that would then preclude raising of the wreck by the AAIB as part of the investigation, since at least one of the bodies appears to be still inside ?
That said, I would imagine that the family of Sala, and quite possibly also Ibbotson's, would wish to recover the remains of their loved ones. Very sad.
That said, I would imagine that the family of Sala, and quite possibly also Ibbotson's, would wish to recover the remains of their loved ones. Very sad.
Thanks for the background. I wonder if that would then preclude raising of the wreck by the AAIB as part of the investigation, since at least one of the bodies appears to be still inside ?
That said, I would imagine that the family of Sala, and quite possibly also Ibbotson's, would wish to recover the remains of their loved ones. Very sad.
That said, I would imagine that the family of Sala, and quite possibly also Ibbotson's, would wish to recover the remains of their loved ones. Very sad.
I read earlier here the wreck site is just in UK waters (well on the border thereof)
AFAIK are the French very involved in recovery and investigation compared to the AAIB ? but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
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Its all being decided now as reported from GCI in past 12 hours - Sala's family are demanding the wreck to be raised plus having discussions with the Pilots family,
I read earlier here the wreck site is just in UK waters (well on the border thereof)
AFAIK are the French very involved in recovery and investigation compared to the AAIB ? but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
I read earlier here the wreck site is just in UK waters (well on the border thereof)
AFAIK are the French very involved in recovery and investigation compared to the AAIB ? but please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks
What this means I’m not sure but as it is a US registered aircraft does it default to US law or does it become something else?
Regarding a coroner, it depends on what, if any, remains are recovered. I doubt a British coroner has any jurisdiction for an Argentine citizen, in a US aircraft, in international waters.
Of course where the ship is and where the wreck is may be different... but not by miles in that depth of water.
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Except for launch and recovery of the ROV the ship will be to all intents and purposes directly over the wreck. If they are looking for odd pieces of wreckage they will perform a grid survey and in that situation they will wander away from the main wreckage.
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on French radio this morning the former head of the BEA confirmed that for investigation purposes they would not need to be retrieving the aircraft. Inspecting visually the cockpit (e.g. if anti- icing was on a, which air source was selected, state of the propeller, etc.). , using an ROV would be enough.
He also said that normally a GA SEP on a VFR flight plan lost at sea would not cause a major investigation and definitively not retrieving the aircraft from the sea bed.
He also said that normally a GA SEP on a VFR flight plan lost at sea would not cause a major investigation and definitively not retrieving the aircraft from the sea bed.
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I would have thought a recovery would be necessary to assess the state of the engine at the time of the ditching. Irrespective of all the other speculation, if the fan quit prior to the descent, I would imagine the maintenance organisation would find themselves in the legal cross hairs. Regardless of the rest of the legal conjecture etc etc, the accident will have happened because of one or more of three factors: 1) Icing 2) Pilot malfunction of some sort or 3) Engine out. The last being pretty significant.
I cannot imagine why they weren't carrying an ELT in the aircraft ready to activate in situations where it all goes wrong...
I cannot imagine why they weren't carrying an ELT in the aircraft ready to activate in situations where it all goes wrong...
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....... unfortunately, most are not going there anyway - most are offering any day, any time, any destination, overnights etc etc - "just ask" - to me that's a commercial charter but the UK CAA and EASA don't agree - after the first Wingly crash the courts will decide.
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‘The disappearance of Emiliano Sala is still being discussed around the world after his plane went missing en route from Nantes to Cardiff.
Maximiliano Duarte, a close friend of the footballer, has pointed the finger of blame at the player's representative.
"He is responsible," Duarte said of the representative to America Noticias.
"The great truth behind all this is that there is a culprit because Emiliano never decided to get on that plane.
"These are all obligations that one has and as a professional he accepted.
"Emi was forced to board the plane that night."
Willie McKay was the player's representative, who arranged the Piper Malibu to take him from Nantes to Cardiff.’
So, if we believe all the reports, we possibly have a pilot who didn’t want to fly at night and we have a passenger who didn’t want to fly at night meaning that the departure was forced by a person/persons who weren’t actually on board.
Maximiliano Duarte, a close friend of the footballer, has pointed the finger of blame at the player's representative.
"He is responsible," Duarte said of the representative to America Noticias.
"The great truth behind all this is that there is a culprit because Emiliano never decided to get on that plane.
"These are all obligations that one has and as a professional he accepted.
"Emi was forced to board the plane that night."
Willie McKay was the player's representative, who arranged the Piper Malibu to take him from Nantes to Cardiff.’
So, if we believe all the reports, we possibly have a pilot who didn’t want to fly at night and we have a passenger who didn’t want to fly at night meaning that the departure was forced by a person/persons who weren’t actually on board.
So, if we believe all the reports, we possibly have a pilot who didn’t want to fly at night and we have a passenger who didn’t want to fly at night meaning that the departure was forced by a person/persons who weren’t actually on board.
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If, and it is still an if, the pilot decided to depart in circumstances that contravened his licence/ratings then the external influences on his decision making must surely be important. Those external influences could have come from either Nantes Football Club, the agent representing them, Cardiff City Football Club, the person tasked with organising the flight or any combination of them. I am only suggesting that the pressure to depart wasn’t coming from the passenger.
