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Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island

Old 3rd Feb 2019, 18:56
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Is the Morven returning to base?
Yes not far off entering the St Peters port harbour, and GEO Ocean III is still stationary at the intersection of all the sonar tracks for Morven for today.
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How much does a PA46 piston cost to hire these days . More than a PA28 or a C152 I`d have thought. Could your average gas fitter afford it. So who paid for the hire, if no money changed hands who owed whom a favour. And who found the gas fitter and handed him the keys. There seems so far a trio involved in that ensemble. The footballers agent, his son and a pilot who appears to have done all sorts of dare-does with puddle jumpers. Out of this trio who is the one who is in the know with aeroplanes, must be the dare-do puddle jumper bloke.
There was a time when jumping at any chance to fly and build up hours towards that left seat regular job made sense and offered an opportunity of a career change. I cannot in this instance how it would have made sense to a 59 year old.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 19:05
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Most of the cases where in the French Caribbeans where illegally transporting tourists within islands is routine. Almost all the procedures failed.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 19:22
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Originally Posted by Chronus
How much does a PA46 piston cost to hire these days . More than a PA28 or a C152 I`d have thought. Could your average gas fitter afford it. So who paid for the hire, if no money changed hands who owed whom a favour. And who found the gas fitter and handed him the keys. There seems so far a trio involved in that ensemble. The footballers agent, his son and a pilot who appears to have done all sorts of dare-does with puddle jumpers. Out of this trio who is the one who is in the know with aeroplanes, must be the dare-do puddle jumper bloke.
There was a time when jumping at any chance to fly and build up hours towards that left seat regular job made sense and offered an opportunity of a career change. I cannot in this instance how it would have made sense to a 59 year old.
I would hazard a guess for money as he is rumoured to have numerous CCJ's outstanding for debt.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 19:27
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Originally Posted by Chronus
How much does a PA46 piston cost to hire these days . More than a PA28 or a C152 I`d have thought. Could your average gas fitter afford it. So who paid for the hire, if no money changed hands who owed whom a favour. And who found the gas fitter and handed him the keys. There seems so far a trio involved in that ensemble. The footballers agent, his son and a pilot who appears to have done all sorts of dare-does with puddle jumpers. Out of this trio who is the one who is in the know with aeroplanes, must be the dare-do puddle jumper bloke.
There was a time when jumping at any chance to fly and build up hours towards that left seat regular job made sense and offered an opportunity of a career change. I cannot in this instance how it would have made sense to a 59 year old.
Let’s go for some accuracy. The footballer’s agent was not the footballer’s agent, he was the agent representing Nantes Football Club. He was the second hand car dealer and the footballer was the second hand car. And by the way, he isn’t even the football agent because he is not a fit and proper person, his son is the agent but his email release showed who was running the show. There is only one self confessed manipulator of people and what people think. He is not a novice to aviation, he knows about owning and operating aircraft and doesn’t seem to be the sort of person who would leave an intermediary to take care of the detail. I hope the investigators don’t discover that after his selective release of communications, everything else has been deleted. The communications between the parties on the Monday after the pilot was told that the flight was always intended to be at night will be very interesting.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 19:33
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When I first got an FAA 61.75 (in 1987) it was restricted to "day VFR only", even if I had a UK Night Qualification. Later the "day" restriction was lifted. I don't know if that showed on the accessable FAA database. He may have been FAA night legal.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 19:38
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Originally Posted by Maoraigh1
When I first got an FAA 61.75 (in 1987) it was restricted to "day VFR only", even if I had a UK Night Qualification. Later the "day" restriction was lifted. I don't know if that showed on the accessable FAA database. He may have been FAA night legal.
You can’t be FAA night legal on a 61.75 if the underlying licence specifically prohibits it.
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Originally Posted by Above The Clouds
I would hazard a guess for money as he is rumoured to have numerous CCJ's outstanding for debt.
If that`s the case, then it increases the likelihood someone else was paying for the hire of the aircraft, the fuel and landing charges. Cannot be certain about money for pilot services, I thought plumbers have been minting it ever since the property boom, you cannot get one for love or money. Makes me speculate, maybe he was offered the PA46 free if he would just turn up for 5 minutes and fix a leaky tap at that mansion of the agent mentioned at an earlier post.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 19:46
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If that`s the case, then it increases the likelihood someone else was paying for the hire of the aircraft, the fuel and landing charges. Cannot be certain about money for pilot services, I thought plumbers have been minting it ever since the property boom, you cannot get one for love or money. Makes me speculate, maybe he was offered the PA46 free if he would just turn up for 5 minutes and fix a leaky tap at that mansion of the agent mentioned at an earlier post.
Someone else did pay for the fuel and landing charges, they went on Henderson’s credit card, that has been admitted.

The Daily Mail made a pretty futile attempt to discover ownership of the aircraft. Of course they were stonewalled by SAC. However the Daily Mail made a statement, as fact, that ownership was transferred to SAC from Cool Flourish Ltd. as well as speculating that Cool Flourish are still the owners.
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Aircraft found.

Emiliano Sala: Missing Premier League footballer's plane found
http://news.sky.com/story/emiliano-s...found-11627529
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Wreckage of the plane carrying Emiliano Sala and piloted by David Ibbotson was located early this morning by the FPV MORVEN. As agreed with the AAIB they moved the GEO OCEAN III over the position we provided them to visually identify the plane by ROV. https://twitter.com/hashtag/EmilianoSala?src=hash
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 20:49
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According to the BBC, AAIB teams have "moved into location at the site to recover the aircraft"
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 23:57
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Probably not.
Unqualified pilot exceeding personal limitations in an airplane he may or may not have been familiar with in horrendous weather conditions.

Back in the day when I was flying private jet charter we always had a sharp increase in requests when the airlines cancelled flights out of major hubs due to weather.

So...Mr and Mrs Filthyrich please explain to me how you believe you should get on a (much) smaller plane and try and conquer the exact same weather conditions the airlines have cancelled for?!

On rare occasions we could sneak in or out before or right after the weather system but mostly we said...no
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David Mearns‏ @davidlmearns 15m15 minutes ago
Wreckage of the plane carrying Emiliano Sala and piloted by David Ibbotson was located early this morning by the FPV MORVEN. As agreed with the AAIB they moved the GEO OCEAN III over the position we provided them to visually identify the plane by ROV. #EmilianoSala
interesting that they appear totally confident that they have found it without any visual confirmation.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 07:17
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interesting that they appear totally confident that they have found it without any visual confirmation.
Not really, that waste garden has been charted quite seriously and they would recognize if a diver snaps a screw off the u-boat down there ...
With the very small search area based on radar data it was to be expected to last one or two days only.
More interesting, will they inspect or salvage? By seafarers tradition they would let the sea take care of the dead to rest in peace.
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I’m sure some people would like that happen CH, as there might be some very incriminating evidence on mobile phones.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 07:51
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I thinkit is highly likely that the aircraft will be recovered, the high profile nature of the passenger and the dubious charter arrangements will put pressure on the authorities to fully investigate the circumstances.

From a technical point of view it will be good to get an idea of the reasons the aircraft came to grief however I’m sure from a leagal point of view the charter arrangements will prove far more controversial.
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Heard on the news this morning (4th Feb) that an ROV has been down and confirmed the registration number, surprise was expressed they found it in big pieces, they were expecting a debris field. Also heard there was no sign of the occupants.
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I thinkit is highly likely that the aircraft will be recovered, the high profile nature of the passenger and the dubious charter arrangements will put pressure on the authorities to fully investigate the circumstances.

From a technical point of view it will be good to get an idea of the reasons the aircraft came to grief however I’m sure from a leagal point of view the charter arrangements will prove far more controversial.
It always makes me sad to see a man kicking a soccer ball perceived as 'high profile'.
So many real everyday heroes around us and we made such gamers gods ...

Yes, I agree from a technical standpoint it will/would be interesting to evaluate the aircraft.
I not sure a salvage is necessary for that, but it depends on the condition of the wreckage.

Just hope they do not find out they left the aircraft after ditching, just to die in the waters.
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If no bodies spotted and a/c is in one piece as stated then chances are both got out maybe OK but the sea took them - very sad if that is the case
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