Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
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Which opens up the whole can of worms that allowed this flight to take place without an AOC.
I suggest the passenger thought he was on a regulated charter flight and not a micky mouse adventure flown by a person whose day job was a gas fitter.
It makes you question why anyone bothers to get a commercial licence when you can fly passengers across Europe with little more than a PPL.
Which opens up the whole can of worms that allowed this flight to take place without an AOC.
I suggest the passenger thought he was on a regulated charter flight and not a micky mouse adventure flown by a person whose day job was a gas fitter.
It makes you question why anyone bothers to get a commercial licence when you can fly passengers across Europe with little more than a PPL.
If the flight had taken place in Daytime VFR conditions most of what Dave Ibbotson was asked to do would have been legal under the privileges of his licence, the bits that exceeded his privileges are the being paid to fly a 'commercially orientated charter' & being put in the position of being asked to conduct a flight at night when he had Daytime Flight privileges only.
The 'finger wagging' towards Dave Ibbotson isn't going to bring him back so it serves no real purpose now, I am not trying to defend his actions as such, but when a person hits ' Rock Bottom ' they will do anything to claw themselves back to where they need to be. We are not talking about a man with no responsibilities, this was a man who had/has a wife and children, to provide for your kin most people will do anything to achieve that........ So, Dave Ibbotson was a man who worked as a Gas Fitter/Plumber, did Disco's, volunteered as a Para drop pilot & then did a few ' Ruskin type flights ' for Cash in Hand.....His intent was most likely that he did all this to provide for his family ( I admire him for wanting to provide for his family, I certainly don't condone what he was doing by taking on the Cash in Hand work, but I don't condemn him for doing it either if it was a means to an end to provide for his kin )
He was probably an 'easy target' for others to take advantage of his vulnerability by offering him the 'Golden goose' If he took the work he was guaranteed a continuing source of income or profit that may be exhausted if it is turned down.
Sadly, there is going to be collateral damage for his family on top of their personal bereavement, we keep seeing remarks about Willie McKay telling newspapers that it has "been an absolute nightmare for us." & the agent claims his son is still owed €1.7m from the deal. I am pretty sure that the Ibbotson family are having a bigger nightmare than the McKay's as are the Sala family.
I am sickened by the remark " the agent claims his son is still owed €1.7m from the deal. " Does he not understand that the deal has turned very sour & 2 people are dead?
With an emphasis on the £1.7m owed, you can see where the funding for the aircraft running costs & pilot charges was going to be coming from? So, if you think you are going to be 'copping' £1.7m I would even absorb the cost of the aircraft running costs & pilot charges as a 'gift' to the Cash Cow to get into his good books.
The more remarks/comments purporting to have come from the agent that I see I can only conclude that every player they represent is just a rolling source of income with no real regard for the actual player.
Mode S & ADSB are not the same thing.
In what is called a Professional Pilots Network, there seems to be a huge gap in the general understanding of ModeS and ADSB and Flight Radar 24.
ModeS is a transponder system like ModeC, except that in addition to displaying altitude, it displays a unique id number for the Transponder. All Mode C transponders look the same to the receivers, and depend on the selected Squawk to make a difference obvious when you see two of them on the screen. Radar systems can not tell the difference between two Mode C aircraft squawking the same code.
ADSB is a different thing entirely. It runs in the background and is carried by the Mode S squawk.
In simple terms;
Mode A sends a four digit 0-7 code.
Mode C accompanies that ModeA code with the altitude of the aircraft, based on 1013.
Mode S has the A & C data and adds in a unique ID for that airframe.
ADSB is tagged on to Mode S and sends the GPS derived Lat/Long of the aircraft and some other details, like heading, speed, call-sign, route and others.
That's it simplified just enough to suit the needs of this forum.
As for FR24, ADSB Exchange, or better still 360Radar.co.uk tracking them, they have different filters in place, depending on what they have agreed with aircraft owners.
FR24 do not show some airframes, Military and Police are usually missing, despite having ADSB on some.
360Radar show all that they receive, no filtering, and their display includes Police, Military, Coastguard, Private aircraft and SAR resources such as lifeboats.
For an ADSB equipped aircraft, the tracking sites mentioned, only need one receiver, out of the thousands that they have all over the world, to pick up the transmission from the aircraft, and that's what allows the public to see it on the web page.
For an aircraft with Mode S without ADSB, the sites all need 5 ground station receivers to get the response to an SSR Radar head pinging the aircraft. The 5 or more stations, send the received data to a server that crunches the time difference between each response, related to the exact location and height of the receiver's antenna, and plots a position for the aircraft. This process is called MLAT. The results of this are added to the ADSB results and makes a composite page where lots of aircraft show up, some ADSB and some just Mode S that have been subject of MLAT calculations.
So... if you only have Mode C, they know you are out there, but can't plot a position for you, as you don't have an ID attached to the squawk, so the server that crunches the number can't be sure of the responses coming from just one aircraft.
Even if you have Mode S, they need 5 hits on each pulse, to be sure of your position.
So even if this aircraft had been transmitting Mode S, it might still not have been within range of enough FR24 receivers to get MLAT'd so it will not be on their page. No conspiracy theory, no non-squawking skullduggery, just the wrong part of the world. 360Radar.co.uk do not have enough contributors in that neck of the woods to be confident of seeing cross channel traffic at that height. FR24 might be in the same position, as lots of contributors feed more than one system.
The total costs, for the end user to monitor Secondary Radar in this way, come to less than £100 as a one off. You buy a small device (Raspberry Pi, or use an old PC) and connect it to a cheap mast, on the chimney or in the loft, and using your domestic broadband, you send away to the server, all that it hears.
In exchange for sending your reception up, they give you access to the shared product of all the calculated positions resulting from you and many others sending in data. There are thousands of "anoraks" all over the UK doing this. Alliances are being formed world wide, and in the next 12 months, an almost complete coverage of the globe is to be expected.
ModeS is a transponder system like ModeC, except that in addition to displaying altitude, it displays a unique id number for the Transponder. All Mode C transponders look the same to the receivers, and depend on the selected Squawk to make a difference obvious when you see two of them on the screen. Radar systems can not tell the difference between two Mode C aircraft squawking the same code.
ADSB is a different thing entirely. It runs in the background and is carried by the Mode S squawk.
In simple terms;
Mode A sends a four digit 0-7 code.
Mode C accompanies that ModeA code with the altitude of the aircraft, based on 1013.
Mode S has the A & C data and adds in a unique ID for that airframe.
ADSB is tagged on to Mode S and sends the GPS derived Lat/Long of the aircraft and some other details, like heading, speed, call-sign, route and others.
That's it simplified just enough to suit the needs of this forum.
As for FR24, ADSB Exchange, or better still 360Radar.co.uk tracking them, they have different filters in place, depending on what they have agreed with aircraft owners.
FR24 do not show some airframes, Military and Police are usually missing, despite having ADSB on some.
360Radar show all that they receive, no filtering, and their display includes Police, Military, Coastguard, Private aircraft and SAR resources such as lifeboats.
For an ADSB equipped aircraft, the tracking sites mentioned, only need one receiver, out of the thousands that they have all over the world, to pick up the transmission from the aircraft, and that's what allows the public to see it on the web page.
For an aircraft with Mode S without ADSB, the sites all need 5 ground station receivers to get the response to an SSR Radar head pinging the aircraft. The 5 or more stations, send the received data to a server that crunches the time difference between each response, related to the exact location and height of the receiver's antenna, and plots a position for the aircraft. This process is called MLAT. The results of this are added to the ADSB results and makes a composite page where lots of aircraft show up, some ADSB and some just Mode S that have been subject of MLAT calculations.
So... if you only have Mode C, they know you are out there, but can't plot a position for you, as you don't have an ID attached to the squawk, so the server that crunches the number can't be sure of the responses coming from just one aircraft.
Even if you have Mode S, they need 5 hits on each pulse, to be sure of your position.
So even if this aircraft had been transmitting Mode S, it might still not have been within range of enough FR24 receivers to get MLAT'd so it will not be on their page. No conspiracy theory, no non-squawking skullduggery, just the wrong part of the world. 360Radar.co.uk do not have enough contributors in that neck of the woods to be confident of seeing cross channel traffic at that height. FR24 might be in the same position, as lots of contributors feed more than one system.
The total costs, for the end user to monitor Secondary Radar in this way, come to less than £100 as a one off. You buy a small device (Raspberry Pi, or use an old PC) and connect it to a cheap mast, on the chimney or in the loft, and using your domestic broadband, you send away to the server, all that it hears.
In exchange for sending your reception up, they give you access to the shared product of all the calculated positions resulting from you and many others sending in data. There are thousands of "anoraks" all over the UK doing this. Alliances are being formed world wide, and in the next 12 months, an almost complete coverage of the globe is to be expected.
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Mike, you're going to think I am arguing with you for the sake of it!
No (new) can of worms here. The pilot's licence, if it is as represented, would not have permitted him to operate a commercial flight here, or in the US. That in itself is enough to bring the conversation to a halt. Conversations about AOCs, Part 135 permission and the rest of it are entirely redundant since the pilot is fundamentally not qualified - possibly quite spectacularly so.
I think it does raise questions about the CAA and DGAC's ability to regulate GA flights within their territories - but we might want to be careful what we wish for there.
Nobody yet knows what the passenger understood about the flight, and that information may sadly be permanently unavailable. Speculation as to the views of the deceased is probably beyond even PPRUNE's wide-ranging chatter.
No (new) can of worms here. The pilot's licence, if it is as represented, would not have permitted him to operate a commercial flight here, or in the US. That in itself is enough to bring the conversation to a halt. Conversations about AOCs, Part 135 permission and the rest of it are entirely redundant since the pilot is fundamentally not qualified - possibly quite spectacularly so.
I think it does raise questions about the CAA and DGAC's ability to regulate GA flights within their territories - but we might want to be careful what we wish for there.
Nobody yet knows what the passenger understood about the flight, and that information may sadly be permanently unavailable. Speculation as to the views of the deceased is probably beyond even PPRUNE's wide-ranging chatter.
The total costs, for the end user to monitor Secondary Radar in this way, come to less than £100 as a one off. You buy a small device (Raspberry Pi, or use an old PC) and connect it to a cheap mast, on the chimney or in the loft, and using your domestic broadband, you send away to the server, all that it hears.
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Dave Ibbotson wasn’t the only one with problems in the Courts. According to The Telegraph a winding up order from HMRC has been adjourned until next month. Mercato Sports is the McKay family company run by McKay’s wife and son. Of course Willie McKay can’t run it himself because he is not a fit and proper person according to the Football Association. The McKays have a history of problems with HMRC.
In the High Court of Justice (Chancery Division)
Companies Court No 008651 of 2018
In the Matter of MERCATO SPORTS (UK) LTD
(Company Number 10683175)
and in the Matter of the Insolvency Act 1986
A Petition to wind up the above-named Company, Registration Number 10683175, of ,Martin Grange Lodge, Martin Common, Bawtry, Doncaster, DN10 6DD, presented on12 October 2018 by the COMMISSIONERS FOR HM REVENUE AND CUSTOMS, of South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4RD,, claiming to be Creditors of the Company, will be heard at the High Court, Royal Courts of Justice, 7 Rolls Building, Fetter Lane, London, EC4A 1NL on 23 January 2019 at 1030 hours (or as soon thereafter as the Petition can be heard).
Any persons intending to appear on the hearing of the Petition (whether to support or oppose it) must give notice of intention to do so to the Petitioners or to their Solicitor in accordance with Rule 7.14 by 1600 hours on 22 January 2019 .
The Petitioners` Solicitor is the Solicitor to, HM Revenue and Customs,Solicitor's Office & Legal Services, South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4RD,telephone 03000 589216 . (Ref SLR1968947/Z.)
11 January 2019
When the legal actions start, as they inevitably will, who actually has any money?
In the High Court of Justice (Chancery Division)
Companies Court No 008651 of 2018
In the Matter of MERCATO SPORTS (UK) LTD
(Company Number 10683175)
and in the Matter of the Insolvency Act 1986
A Petition to wind up the above-named Company, Registration Number 10683175, of ,Martin Grange Lodge, Martin Common, Bawtry, Doncaster, DN10 6DD, presented on12 October 2018 by the COMMISSIONERS FOR HM REVENUE AND CUSTOMS, of South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4RD,, claiming to be Creditors of the Company, will be heard at the High Court, Royal Courts of Justice, 7 Rolls Building, Fetter Lane, London, EC4A 1NL on 23 January 2019 at 1030 hours (or as soon thereafter as the Petition can be heard).
Any persons intending to appear on the hearing of the Petition (whether to support or oppose it) must give notice of intention to do so to the Petitioners or to their Solicitor in accordance with Rule 7.14 by 1600 hours on 22 January 2019 .
The Petitioners` Solicitor is the Solicitor to, HM Revenue and Customs,Solicitor's Office & Legal Services, South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4RD,telephone 03000 589216 . (Ref SLR1968947/Z.)
11 January 2019
When the legal actions start, as they inevitably will, who actually has any money?
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When and if, life insurance and other policies relating to the (presumed) deceased passenger fail to pay out, there will undoubtedly be a desire to engage lawyers looking for places to cover the shortfall. It remains to be seen how many parties there are that have a direct enough connection to the flight and the passenger that they would be feasible targets for a claim. Probably not as many as some assume.
The more interesting question will be whether the investigation of the circumstances surrounding this flight bring to light a more commonplace culture of illicit charters in the sports world. Not just football, but perhaps horse racing too. Then the spotlight would be on the regulator (CAA and DGAC) as to why they had apparently lost control of a small but important chunk of their responsibility.
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@Warren peace : many thanks for that short but clear explanation , I did not know you needed minimum 5 returns to establish a mode S track on FR24. Learnt something ,
Indeed many confuse mode S and ,ADS-B , and some forget that to have ADS-B-out ( broadcast) you need it to be coupled to a certified GPS, which is not the same as a hand held Garmin ....
Back to the aircraft in question ; Has someone here seen a copy of the PLN ? . and if yes which letter was on the equipment field ? even the inbound one to NTS plan would do .
Indeed many confuse mode S and ,ADS-B , and some forget that to have ADS-B-out ( broadcast) you need it to be coupled to a certified GPS, which is not the same as a hand held Garmin ....
Back to the aircraft in question ; Has someone here seen a copy of the PLN ? . and if yes which letter was on the equipment field ? even the inbound one to NTS plan would do .
The more interesting question will be whether the investigation of the circumstances surrounding this flight bring to light a more commonplace culture of illicit charters in the sports world. Not just football, but perhaps horse racing too. Then the spotlight would be on the regulator (CAA and DGAC) as to why they had apparently lost control of a small but important chunk of their responsibility.
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Dave Ibbotson wasn’t the only one with problems in the Courts. According to The Telegraph a winding up order from HMRC has been adjourned until next month. Mercato Sports is the McKay family company run by McKay’s wife and son. Of course Willie McKay can’t run it himself because he is not a fit and proper person according to the Football Association. The McKays have a history of problems with HMRC.
In the High Court of Justice (Chancery Division)
Companies Court No 008651 of 2018
In the Matter of MERCATO SPORTS (UK) LTD
(Company Number 10683175)
and in the Matter of the Insolvency Act 1986
A Petition to wind up the above-named Company, Registration Number 10683175, of ,Martin Grange Lodge, Martin Common, Bawtry, Doncaster, DN10 6DD, presented on12 October 2018 by the COMMISSIONERS FOR HM REVENUE AND CUSTOMS, of South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4RD,, claiming to be Creditors of the Company, will be heard at the High Court, Royal Courts of Justice, 7 Rolls Building, Fetter Lane, London, EC4A 1NL on 23 January 2019 at 1030 hours (or as soon thereafter as the Petition can be heard).
Any persons intending to appear on the hearing of the Petition (whether to support or oppose it) must give notice of intention to do so to the Petitioners or to their Solicitor in accordance with Rule 7.14 by 1600 hours on 22 January 2019 .
The Petitioners` Solicitor is the Solicitor to, HM Revenue and Customs,Solicitor's Office & Legal Services, South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4RD,telephone 03000 589216 . (Ref SLR1968947/Z.)
11 January 2019
When the legal actions start, as they inevitably will, who actually has any money?
In the High Court of Justice (Chancery Division)
Companies Court No 008651 of 2018
In the Matter of MERCATO SPORTS (UK) LTD
(Company Number 10683175)
and in the Matter of the Insolvency Act 1986
A Petition to wind up the above-named Company, Registration Number 10683175, of ,Martin Grange Lodge, Martin Common, Bawtry, Doncaster, DN10 6DD, presented on12 October 2018 by the COMMISSIONERS FOR HM REVENUE AND CUSTOMS, of South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4RD,, claiming to be Creditors of the Company, will be heard at the High Court, Royal Courts of Justice, 7 Rolls Building, Fetter Lane, London, EC4A 1NL on 23 January 2019 at 1030 hours (or as soon thereafter as the Petition can be heard).
Any persons intending to appear on the hearing of the Petition (whether to support or oppose it) must give notice of intention to do so to the Petitioners or to their Solicitor in accordance with Rule 7.14 by 1600 hours on 22 January 2019 .
The Petitioners` Solicitor is the Solicitor to, HM Revenue and Customs,Solicitor's Office & Legal Services, South West Wing, Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4RD,telephone 03000 589216 . (Ref SLR1968947/Z.)
11 January 2019
When the legal actions start, as they inevitably will, who actually has any money?
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This was on the market for £2,000,000 until recently but is now marked as Property no longer available.
https://www.houseladder.co.uk/property_for_sale/6086042
So there is some collateral sitting in this property, strangely Martin Grange Lodge was also on the market for £1,250,000 with the following details:
NO LONGER AVAILABLE
Please note that the brochure also includes the farm house, additional stabling, paddocks, formal gardens and the all-weather sports pitch which is available by separate negotiation.
Recently converted and providing additional accommodation with electric underfloor heating and UPVC sealed unit double glazing.
The Lounge has exposed trusses and French doors opening to the front, and there is a modern fitted Kitchen with integrated appliances.
The 2 Bedrooms each have En-Suite Shower Rooms.
The property is approached along Martin Grange Farm Lane.
There is an all weather 1 mile track and gallop comprising 4 round furlongs and 4 straights.
To the West is the American Barn providing 27 stables, tack and feed rooms, with adjacent horse walker and lunging ring.
There is over 32 acres in all.
I wonder if it is just MERCATO SPORTS (UK) LTD that is being wound up or whether MERCATO SPORTS (HOLDINGS) LTD is in the winding up order as well?
In all honesty I would think the winding up order is the least of the McKay's worries at this current time.
So it would seem that properties were getting put on the market to get some 'ready cash' https://mapio.co.uk/detail/476985/
- Around 32 acres in all
- Professional 1 mile all weather gallop
- 27 stables, tack and feed rooms
- Horse walker and lunging ring
- Single storey brick and pan tile lodge
- Lounge, fitted kitchen
- Two bedrooms, two shower rooms
- Superb equestrian facility
- Option to purchase main farmhouse
Please note that the brochure also includes the farm house, additional stabling, paddocks, formal gardens and the all-weather sports pitch which is available by separate negotiation.
Martin grange lodge
Recently converted and providing additional accommodation with electric underfloor heating and UPVC sealed unit double glazing.
The Lounge has exposed trusses and French doors opening to the front, and there is a modern fitted Kitchen with integrated appliances.
The 2 Bedrooms each have En-Suite Shower Rooms.
The property is approached along Martin Grange Farm Lane.
There is an all weather 1 mile track and gallop comprising 4 round furlongs and 4 straights.
To the West is the American Barn providing 27 stables, tack and feed rooms, with adjacent horse walker and lunging ring.
There is over 32 acres in all.
I wonder if it is just MERCATO SPORTS (UK) LTD that is being wound up or whether MERCATO SPORTS (HOLDINGS) LTD is in the winding up order as well?
In all honesty I would think the winding up order is the least of the McKay's worries at this current time.
So it would seem that properties were getting put on the market to get some 'ready cash' https://mapio.co.uk/detail/476985/
House For Sale £1,250,000
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First I don't think it is appropriate in times of GDPR to publish personal data like telephone numbers in public - i deleted the pic in reply - even and especially in such case!
If this really is the plan filed, there are a lot of questions. Wrong call sign? maybe even the G should have been N ;-)? 2 aircraft on the FPL? no POB? equipment list bogus? speed 113 knots? ok overlook the known odd behavior of Skydemon on filing ... why the hack should one use such odd border crossing point with two official one so close? I hope this is a fake as so far from a professional one, not even to PPL standards. Would France even accept such FPL, or would they not immediately call the pilot filing? My first impression, looks like 'alternate facts', hard to imagine somebody filing this way in reality, sorry.
If this really is the plan filed, there are a lot of questions. Wrong call sign? maybe even the G should have been N ;-)? 2 aircraft on the FPL? no POB? equipment list bogus? speed 113 knots? ok overlook the known odd behavior of Skydemon on filing ... why the hack should one use such odd border crossing point with two official one so close? I hope this is a fake as so far from a professional one, not even to PPL standards. Would France even accept such FPL, or would they not immediately call the pilot filing? My first impression, looks like 'alternate facts', hard to imagine somebody filing this way in reality, sorry.
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I have no idea whether the plan shown is Fake News or not. On the simple Skydemon question though, SD, like many planning tools computes the point of FIR crossing automatically if the pilot has merely straddled the FIR with a DCT between two points. It does this as a convenience because an EET and and identified crossing point on the FIR is a FPL requirement. One that many ignore.
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I have no idea whether the plan shown is Fake News or not. On the simple Skydemon question though, SD, like many planning tools computes the point of FIR crossing automatically if the pilot has merely straddled the FIR with a DCT between two points. It does this as a convenience because an EET and and identified crossing point on the FIR is a FPL requirement. One that many ignore.
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His full address, mobile phone number and email contact are anyway publicly available via the UK's Gas Safe Register as he was according to the register approved to carry out repairs to Natural Gas and also LPG installations both commercial and domestic in the UK: (I've just checked and the phone number matches)
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Well this is very interesting because all the press were saying the Daytime flightplan had the name Dave Henderson as PILOT where that actually clearly shows the name David Ibbotson as PILOT.
Well this is very interesting because all the press were saying the Daytime flightplan had the FLIGHTPLAN filed as IFR where that actually clearly shows it was filed as VFR.
The mistake of the callsign is an easy mistake to make ( had this done to me by electronic inputting myself ) so I wouldn't think that is too big an issue?
The NO113 is a bit of a strange one to have put as a TAS? the distance from LFRS to the FIR Boundary (EGTT) is 170nm which @ 113kts would have been 90mins so the 99mins on the FPL is close to correct for the speed filed.
I am just assuming because it was a Skydemon FPL that either the 'aircraft profile' didn't have correct speeds or we have just spotted a glitch in the Skydemon system where it files times based on estimated groundspeed? ( supposition only ).
It is now looking like Dave Ibbotson really did think he was operating a daytime flight both ways, though it also seems apparent that the actual organisers knew that the return flight was scheduled for after sunset from the outset. It now changes the whole perception I have of what was asked of Dave Ibbotson & what was changed once he got to Nantes.
Sadly, Dave Ibbotson won't be able to defend,deny or enlighten the interested parties in what questions are now being asked.
Now it is such a maelstrom of facts & bs that the only conclusive outcome will be based on the official reports. I hope in some way that the focus isn't all aimed at Dave Ibbotson or his family members, I am sure 'smoke & mirrors' will be used to cover up a lot of stuff that went on in the vain hope of not dragging others down, so all the focus on Dave Ibbotson having £18k of CCJ's seems like a diversionary tactic by someone who owes a far more significant amount that the HMRC have their gnashers biting away at.
Well this is very interesting because all the press were saying the Daytime flightplan had the FLIGHTPLAN filed as IFR where that actually clearly shows it was filed as VFR.
The mistake of the callsign is an easy mistake to make ( had this done to me by electronic inputting myself ) so I wouldn't think that is too big an issue?
The NO113 is a bit of a strange one to have put as a TAS? the distance from LFRS to the FIR Boundary (EGTT) is 170nm which @ 113kts would have been 90mins so the 99mins on the FPL is close to correct for the speed filed.
I am just assuming because it was a Skydemon FPL that either the 'aircraft profile' didn't have correct speeds or we have just spotted a glitch in the Skydemon system where it files times based on estimated groundspeed? ( supposition only ).
It is now looking like Dave Ibbotson really did think he was operating a daytime flight both ways, though it also seems apparent that the actual organisers knew that the return flight was scheduled for after sunset from the outset. It now changes the whole perception I have of what was asked of Dave Ibbotson & what was changed once he got to Nantes.
Sadly, Dave Ibbotson won't be able to defend,deny or enlighten the interested parties in what questions are now being asked.
Now it is such a maelstrom of facts & bs that the only conclusive outcome will be based on the official reports. I hope in some way that the focus isn't all aimed at Dave Ibbotson or his family members, I am sure 'smoke & mirrors' will be used to cover up a lot of stuff that went on in the vain hope of not dragging others down, so all the focus on Dave Ibbotson having £18k of CCJ's seems like a diversionary tactic by someone who owes a far more significant amount that the HMRC have their gnashers biting away at.
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Spot on chum; my thoughts exactly
Spot on chum; my thoughts exactly
