Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
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Somebody said earlier that £300,000 won’t go very far in an underwater search.
Lets hope a search of 25 square miles, a circle just over 2.8 miles In radius is lucky.
Lets hope a search of 25 square miles, a circle just over 2.8 miles In radius is lucky.
AAIB update today:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/a...ircraft-n264db
Update 2: Wednesday 30 January
Since we opened our safety investigation on Tuesday 23 January, we have been gathering evidence such as flight, aircraft and personnel records, and have been analysing radar data and air traffic tapes. We have been working closely with other international authorities and have kept the families of those involved updated on our progress.
On the morning of Monday 28 January, we were advised by the Bureau d’Enquêtes & d’Analyses (BEA), the French safety investigation authority, that part of a seat cushion had been found on a beach near Surainville on the Cotentin Peninsula. A second cushion was found in the same area later that day. From a preliminary examination we have concluded that it is likely that the cushions are from the missing aircraft.
From the moment we were notified of the missing aircraft, we have been looking at the feasibility of conducting an underwater seabed search for aircraft wreckage. Based on a detailed assessment of the flight path and last known radar position, we have now identified a priority search area of approximately four square nautical miles. Through the Ministry of Defence’s Salvage and Marine Operations (SALMO) Project Team, we have commissioned a specialist survey vessel to carry out an underwater survey of the seabed to try to locate and identify possible aircraft wreckage.
Due to the weather and sea conditions, we currently expect our underwater seabed search to start at the end of this weekend and to take up to three days. Side-scan sonar equipment will be used to try to locate the wreckage on the seabed. If the wreckage is found, a remotely operated vehicle (ROV) will be used to visually examine the wreckage.
We are aware that a privately operated search is also being conducted in the area, and we are liaising closely with those involved to maximise the chance of locating any wreckage and ensure a safe search operation.
Our remit is to undertake safety investigations to establish the cause of accidents. We do not apportion blame or liability.
Since we opened our safety investigation on Tuesday 23 January, we have been gathering evidence such as flight, aircraft and personnel records, and have been analysing radar data and air traffic tapes. We have been working closely with other international authorities and have kept the families of those involved updated on our progress.
On the morning of Monday 28 January, we were advised by the Bureau d’Enquêtes & d’Analyses (BEA), the French safety investigation authority, that part of a seat cushion had been found on a beach near Surainville on the Cotentin Peninsula. A second cushion was found in the same area later that day. From a preliminary examination we have concluded that it is likely that the cushions are from the missing aircraft.
From the moment we were notified of the missing aircraft, we have been looking at the feasibility of conducting an underwater seabed search for aircraft wreckage. Based on a detailed assessment of the flight path and last known radar position, we have now identified a priority search area of approximately four square nautical miles. Through the Ministry of Defence’s Salvage and Marine Operations (SALMO) Project Team, we have commissioned a specialist survey vessel to carry out an underwater survey of the seabed to try to locate and identify possible aircraft wreckage.
Due to the weather and sea conditions, we currently expect our underwater seabed search to start at the end of this weekend and to take up to three days. Side-scan sonar equipment will be used to try to locate the wreckage on the seabed. If the wreckage is found, a remotely operated vehicle (ROV) will be used to visually examine the wreckage.
We are aware that a privately operated search is also being conducted in the area, and we are liaising closely with those involved to maximise the chance of locating any wreckage and ensure a safe search operation.
Our remit is to undertake safety investigations to establish the cause of accidents. We do not apportion blame or liability.
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It seems that there is a typo in the AAIB update quoted above. The beach would be near Surtainville, and not Surainville, on the Cotentin Peninsula - very near to the nuclear facility at Flamanville.
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Before we go quiet it would be nice to know that someone other than the AAIB are investigating. The police will investigate an accidental/suspicious death but do the Guernsey Police have anything other than a missing person’s inquiry at the moment? Are the police even certain who has jurisdiction at the moment given the uncertainty over the crash location?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_G...ssna_404_crash
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When the identical Malibu was filmed by the BBC for the "Ferry Pilot" documentary some of the shots showed the interior of the aircraft - and the seats. In that BBC programme they looked a cream or light beige colour. The seat washed ashore onto the beach at Surtainville looks as if it's light blue.
Their website now has the correct rendering of the name (maybe they read PPRuNe!), but many of the mainstream media had already reproduced the "Surainville" version.
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When the identical Malibu was filmed by the BBC for the "Ferry Pilot" documentary some of the shots showed the interior of the aircraft - and the seats. In that BBC programme they looked a cream or light beige colour. The seat washed ashore onto the beach at Surtainville looks as if it's light blue.
When the identical Malibu was filmed by the BBC for the "Ferry Pilot" documentary some of the shots showed the interior of the aircraft - and the seats. In that BBC programme they looked a cream or light beige colour. The seat washed ashore onto the beach at Surtainville looks as if it's light blue.
Seats will have sunk with the aircraft - being very bolted to the floor.
We always have a couple of loose cushions in the cab when we fly. You can hold them over your face and body just prior to bracing for impact but usually we just stick them under the behinds of short people so they can see over the panel to fly.
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as to the seats colors :, the BEA said :
I think they would not make this statement if they had a little more evidence , as to the color ,interiors upholstery also change from time to time on old aircraft especially, do not take an old video as proof...
Anyway if you read carefully the AAIB statement , they have radar data well below 2300ft and are likely to find the wreckage , ( or the bits and pieces it it hit the water with high velocity )
The seats cushions will soon become irrelevant ..
From a preliminary examination we have concluded that it is likely that the cushions are from the missing aircraft.
Anyway if you read carefully the AAIB statement , they have radar data well below 2300ft and are likely to find the wreckage , ( or the bits and pieces it it hit the water with high velocity )
Based on a detailed assessment of the flight path and last known radar position, we have now identified a priority search area of approximately four square nautical miles. Through the Ministry of Defence’s Salvage and Marine Operations (SALMO) Project Team, we have commissioned a specialist survey vessel to carry out an underwater survey of the seabed to try to locate and identify possible aircraft wreckage
I'd agree with the above. I think it's a matter of days now.
This isn't MH370 and the drink ain't exactly deep. Sonar ship will find it in hours (but will probably take longer Rolls eyes). Though wx is prohibiting commencement until end of week apparently.
This isn't MH370 and the drink ain't exactly deep. Sonar ship will find it in hours (but will probably take longer Rolls eyes). Though wx is prohibiting commencement until end of week apparently.
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Now, while I totally understand that the C.I.s are far more heavily dependent on aviation for day to day life (I’m no longer flying there myself sadly) whether ACI/GCI/JER are any more “wild west” than, say, the half dozen big GA fields around London is very hard to say.
You have clearly used the occasion to educate yourself which is fantastic, both for yourself and for those who maybe rely on you. However, I think the only way this genie will be at least partially curbed is (a) by Insurers and, for rental aircraft, (b) by CFIs at Flying Clubs taking a far closer interest in what is happening. The latter check will not curb misuse of privately owned aircraft and, one could argue, if you are breaking the rules in knowingly operating an illegal charter using your own or a friend-of-a-friend’s aircraft, the mere fact you are invalidating the insurance is probably not going to worry those doing so. Just one more illegal act in a flurry of illegality is hardly going to cause such people sleepless nights! In due course, back that up with (c) clearer legislation but (a) and (b) will certainly make a dent in the problem that seems to be out there.
A thought. Just maybe Emiliano has done far, far more for many, many people in the future than he could ever have imagined he could have. While, sadly, he may never thrill the crowds on the pitch or become that International player or whatever his career held in store, just maybe, as a result of this and any changes that come out of it (which I hope they do) he will have helped prevent other deaths and even more importantly, those many unreported “near misses” which escape from being an accident by the closest of margins. His name being linked to this has certainly raised this thread’s profile with even non-aviation friends of mine asking me about it. Small consolation for his friends and family I know – but if it had been me as pax that night instead, this thread would have ended on Page 2 - as did the thread on Dave and Simon in Spain. H 'n' H
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Perhaps bodies will be recovered. If so, we can mention that fact then. Until the recovery of a body is news, let's demonstrate courtesy by leaving that topic undiscussed.
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Pilot DAR ... I've seen no mention of bodies so far in this thread, ... that is, until you mentioned them. I believe we all, already know how to be courteous in this regard.
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Pilot DAR ... I've seen no mention of bodies so far in this thread, ... that is, until you mentioned them.