Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island

[2unlimited]

There is of course some missing text or conversation, but did not McKay say to Sala : it's the SAME Company?

The question here of course what was McKay referring to? The same company that took Sala to Cardiff the first time?

I have tried to go trough most of the posts, and might have missed this, but did they Eclipse also fly him back to France after the signing for Cardiff? Or how did he return to France after the trip on the Eclipse?

I am curious to know what company is referring to when he says, it's the SAME company.

[Daysleeper]

There is of course some missing text or conversation, but did not McKay say to Sala : it's the SAME Company?

The question here of course what was McKay referring to? The same company that took Sala to Cardiff the first time?

It's all supposition and guesswork but from he voicemail and messages I think at this point he (as in Sala) had asked to where to go to get access to the aircraft and the reply means the same ground handling agent at Nantes as before.

[Gurnard]

Originally Posted by 2unlimited

There is of course some missing text or conversation, but did not McKay say to Sala : it's the SAME Company?

The question here of course what was McKay referring to? The same company that took Sala to Cardiff the first time?

I have tried to go trough most of the posts, and might have missed this, but did they Eclipse also fly him back to France after the signing for Cardiff? Or how did he return to France after the trip on the Eclipse?

I am curious to know what company is referring to when he says, it's the SAME company.

He returned to NTS on the fated PA46 which may or may not have flown via GCI. The original plan was that it should.

[Aireps]

Originally Posted by Auxtank

From the BBC Vid of DH (2015) it looks like a BK KT97 (immediately below the Strike Finder) which is Mode C

Nothing to say it didn't get an upgrade between then and now.

ELT circled in red from earlier post.

N264DB is in the Airframes dot org database with a Mode S Hex code: A28E26 (ICAO24). This strongly suggests that it was Mode S equipped.
None of the tracking sites have Mode S data though, while most have good coverage in the area. Mode S not switched on / unserviceable?

[Sir Niall Dementia]

Looking at this thread, the sidebar advertising on my screen currently is all for Wingly. Cardiff-Jersy flights £108 per seat, Cardiff-Cherbourg for £139 per seat. Not the best place for such ads at the moment.

SND

[red9]

Originally Posted by Daysleeper

It's all supposition and guesswork but from he voicemail and messages I think at this point he (as in Sala) had asked to where to go to get access to the aircraft and the reply means the same ground handling agent at Nantes as before.

No - I believe he was referring to the group of pilots that flew him around and their " company "

[ATC Watcher]

Mode S not switched on / unserviceable?

unlikely to take off and/or enter class D airspace without a working transponder I would say , especially at night ., not to mention entering UK airspace afterwards... Only possibility is it went u/s or inadvertently turned to SBY in flight ( still happens ) But you would at least notice its departure from NTS on FR24 then.

[Arkroyal]

Originally Posted by NAROBS

I'm getting the impression that general view on this forum is that this type of service conforms completely to the principle of jam-pot economics i.e. if the customer is stupid enough to select this type of service provider then they deserve all they get .

Then maybe you should try reading it.

You'll find that that the consensus is the opposite. That the public should be protected from being able to make uninformed decisions to become involved in this shady business of ‘sharing’.

[Sam Rutherford]

NAROBS No, it's not saying that - but there is a mingling of what is illegal, and what people might not like but is legal.

Like lumping weed and tobacco in together, I suppose...

Some sharing is shady business, some is not.

[Flap40]

Originally Posted by Aireps

N264DB is in the Airframes dot org database with a Mode S Hex code: A28E26 (ICAO24). This strongly suggests that it was Mode S equipped.
None of the tracking sites have Mode S data though, while most have good coverage in the area. Mode S not switched on / unserviceable?

Not necessarily. The UK CAA and possibly other authorities issued mode S Hex codes to to all aircraft about 10 years ago whether they were fitted or not.

[helimutt]

Maybe it should be mandatory that all aircraft are trackable on sites like FR24 and Radarbox etc.

[Air Soul]

Originally Posted by ATC Watcher

unlikely to take off and/or enter class D airspace without a working transponder I would say , especially at night ., not to mention entering UK airspace afterwards... Only possibility is it went u/s or inadvertently turned to SBY in flight ( still happens ) But you would at least notice its departure from NTS on FR24 then.

N264DB hasn’t ever been tracked by ADS-B Exchange, who don’t filter anything.

[ATC Watcher]

Originally Posted by Air Soul

N264DB hasn’t ever been tracked by ADS-B Exchange, who don’t filter anything.

Then it must have had old ModeA/C transponder with probably a derogation to fly IFR with it in both France and the UK. Easy to check by the Accident investigators.

[BEagle]

I wonder whether there will now be a crack down on the operation of 'flag of convenience' registered aircraft based in the UK, in order for the regulator to have better oversight of their activity?

[meleagertoo]

Originally Posted by BEagle

I wonder whether there will now be a crack down on the operation of 'flag of convenience' registered aircraft based in the UK, in order for the regulator to have better oversight of their activity?

Not without a substantial increase in the number of Flt Ops Inspectors to conduct widespread and regular ramp checks. The CAA will simply slope it's teflon shoulders a little more and say their budget does not permit...

[red9]

Originally Posted by meleagertoo

Not without a substantial increase in the number of Flt Ops Inspectors to conduct widespread and regular ramp checks. The CAA will simply slope it's teflon shoulders a little more and say their budget does not permit...

No change there then in 30 years.










And in 30 years time we will be saying exactly the same......

[Nige321]

Media breifing on the BBC from the private search people.
Just said they are searching underwater as the AAIB have already decided not to do so, 'as there would be little to learn from finding it...'

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by Flap40

The UK CAA and possibly other authorities issued mode S Hex codes to to all aircraft about 10 years ago whether they were fitted or not.

Yes, and in the case of the FAA the ICAO24 address is determined by the N-number in a fixed relationship.

[Luc Lion]

Originally Posted by Luc Lion

I started following this thread because I couldn't understand why this plane was cruising at 5000 ft in Monday's meteorological conditions and, if a problem prevented the climb out, why the pilot didn't declare an emergency and land in Jersey.
These questions still remain open, even though there is now a hypothesis that the cruising altitude choice was deliberate and dictated by licencing issues.
If the deliberate choice is confirmed, to me this is akin to reckless flying.

A French newspaper, Ouest-France, claims to have had access to the flight plan and that is was a VFR flight plan.
https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/fo...on-vol-6198438
Hence the 5000 ft cruise altitude.
Appaling

[Pilot DAR]

......was a VFR flight plan. ..... hence the 5000 ft cruise altitude.

In North America, VFR is +500 feet, is it not the same in Europe?