Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
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My personal consequence of this accident will be to report any such flight I am aware of to the authorities in the future. So far whistleblowing has never been my thing, but I earn my living as a "GA" pilot and I will do everything I can to prevent operations like the one that led to this accident to compromise my professional environment.
Don't rely on regs, CAA, EASA, whatever.
If you see it, report it! to the TWR - if there is one, then to NATS, CAA, etc. We've seen in this thread that certain individuals have taken action when they've been suspicious that someone is exercising privileges of a license to which they are not entitled so to do. Even if you have to call the Police. Keep them on the ground until doubt is dispelled.
Time to clean up this town and preserve GA for those for which it's an abiding passion and for those for whom it's also a legitimate commercial venture with all checks and balances in order.
This is our manor these unscrupulous individuals are rotting up for the future and causing untold upset and pain in the mean time.
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And if the baggage was of significant weight. We don’t know yet. I suspect the photo of said baggage which was part of the text stream will not see the light of day.
7:43pm - Jack McKay: "My dad has told me that you are going home tomorrow. He could organise a plane to take you direct to Nantes and to come back on Monday, at a time that suits you
I struggle to see how McKay can not be legally responsible towards both Sala's family and Cardiff.
Agents often control all aspects of a players life, Sala was severally let down by his agent in my opinion.
I struggle to see how McKay can not be legally responsible towards both Sala's family and Cardiff.
Agents often control all aspects of a players life, Sala was severally let down by his agent in my opinion.
Despite flying for 42 years, I had never heard of Wingly before glancing at this thread. Now I see 70hr PPL holders offering their services for sightseeing flights.....my mind, well and truly boggled !
why does everyone continue to mention wingly, when so far there is not a shred of evidence that wingly had anything to do with the crash?
Don't forget - it's a discussion thread.
7:43pm - Jack McKay: "My dad has told me that you are going home tomorrow. He could organise a plane to take you direct to Nantes and to come back on Monday, at a time that suits you
I struggle to see how McKay can not be legally responsible towards both Sala's family and Cardiff.
Agents often control all aspects of a players life, Sala was severally let down by his agent in my opinion.
I struggle to see how McKay can not be legally responsible towards both Sala's family and Cardiff.
Agents often control all aspects of a players life, Sala was severally let down by his agent in my opinion.
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7:43pm - Jack McKay: "My dad has told me that you are going home tomorrow. He could organise a plane to take you direct to Nantes and to come back on Monday, at a time that suits you
I struggle to see how McKay can not be legally responsible towards both Sala's family and Cardiff.
Agents often control all aspects of a players life, Sala was severally let down by his agent in my opinion.
I struggle to see how McKay can not be legally responsible towards both Sala's family and Cardiff.
Agents often control all aspects of a players life, Sala was severally let down by his agent in my opinion.
And ignorance is no defence in law.
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Sala possibly thought he was getting a better service by flying in a chartered aircraft than taking a scheduled flight. Therein lies the problem.
With a pilot who was clearly out of his depth.
There is a reason there is a difference between CPL and PPL.
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It's shocking that this flight took place in the form that it did. I also suspect more will come to light, but at the moment a non commercial flight was arranged and accepted. No definitions of competency or proper decision making were promised or made, but from what I see right now, nothing illegal happened. Stupid beyond comprehension I would say, but there are many aircraft owners willing to lend their aircraft and many low houred PPL's willing to fly for free. Too many non aviation people think aviation is straight forward, assume competency, experience and ability and underestimate risk.
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I wonder if the pilot was thinking, if only I can get him to the mainland he can get a cab ...
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whoever in the club allowed him to make that decision will by now be regretting the can of worms he’s opened and the cost to the club.
As for your comments about Wingly, it’s well understood here and by anyone reading the thread that no one has linked this fiasco with Wingly.
Many of us have only learnt about Wingly through this thread and, like me, are aghast that this is allowed. It’s connection to the flight we are discussing is the use of under qualified ‘pilots’ for what are thinly disguised commercial operations.
If you’d entrust your loved ones to a night flip around town with a bloke whose last 12 months experience is 12 hours then you carry on mate. I certainly wouldn’t
It does seem based on some of his messages, that the aircraft was not exactly of the standard he expected.
Based on the parts of the conversation seen between Sala and McKay, no doubt McKay seems to be fairly flippant about this whole setup. However in my opinion he must bare some responsibility.
You would have expected a 5 star service, instead he got the Donkey service.
I worked in past with agents in the entertainment industry, and generally they do EVERYTHING for you, and you would not expect them to put you in such a high risk situation. In most Agent contracts, high risk situations would be breach of contract terms.
I am suspecting there was a certain pressure on D.I to complete the flight that night, the pressure is that the agent now must make sure Sala is in Cardiff by Tuesday, the question is how much pressure the pilot was made aware of by McKay, or whoever organised the flight.
D.I would be ill equipped / prepared to deal with such "COMMERCIAL PRESSURE" to get a 15 Mill footballer to Cardiff ON TIME.
Sala denied the commercial flight offer from Cardiff, it seems after McKay had promised him an alternative way to travel, from this moment all responsibility lies with McKay, the agent to make sure Sala is on time in Cardiff for his training report on Tuesday.
Truly a tragic story. Sala's last WhatsApp message really shows that this was not was he expected, he trusted McKay's offer of this flight, and and who knows what would have gone trough his mind regarding the consequences if he had refused to take the flight.
The Commercial Pressure was not only on the Pilot in this case, but also the the newly signed footballer.
non aviation people think aviation is straight forward, assume competency, experience and ability and underestimate risk.
Not prejudging here but I'd be pretty damned reluctant to make that trip if even half of the above were true,.
To that I venture to reply that while my ignorance may be breathtaking (although somewhat reduced after participating here) if professional pilots want to counter the likes of Wingly, they need make the issues a lot simpler to understand if they expect us lesser mortals to have any chance of making useful distinctions.
Particular thanks to those who have taken the time to do some education for my benefit (and doubtless a lot of non-posting readers).
Particular thanks to those who have taken the time to do some education for my benefit (and doubtless a lot of non-posting readers).
1) A big piece of metal such as an aeroplane may fall out of the sky and kill you if things go wrong.
2) This has happened before and every time it happens there is a comprehensive analysis to try and prevent its recurrence.
3) When it does happen, rules and procedures are put in place to prevent it happening again. Sometimes nobody could have guessed the cause before it happened.
4) Professional pilots know these rules and procedures. The more complicated the aeroplane, the higher level of skill required.
5) The worse the weather, the higher level of skills and experience required.
6) If a pilot ignores 4 and 5 together, they may not have enough experience to even guess at what could go wrong, let alone prepare to mitigate the risk. 'Best guesses' are of no value whatsover unless you have the experience to be able to make them.
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Truly a tragic story. Sala's last WhatsApp message really shows that this was not was he expected, he trusted McKay's offer of this flight, and and who knows what would have gone trough his mind regarding the consequences if he had refused to take the flight.
The Commercial Pressure was not only on the Pilot in this case, but also the the newly signed footballer.
The Commercial Pressure was not only on the Pilot in this case, but also the the newly signed footballer.
Interesting that we use the phrase ‘Commercial pressure’.
Which speaks for itself. It has absolutely no place in private aviation.