Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
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I don't attach any significance to those texts. Sala probably had no idea what sort of aircraft he would be flying on, so asking about bringing luggage would be a reasonable question.
Given that the Malibu accommodates six, including the pilot, I'd be surprised if a 300 nm trip would have limited it to 2 up plus bag(s).
Re the "3 attempts to take off" (reportedly a comment in a message from Sala), it has been suggested in these pages that he may have meant 3 attempts required to start the engine, which sounds more likely.
Edit: Beaten to it by the two previous posts !
Given that the Malibu accommodates six, including the pilot, I'd be surprised if a 300 nm trip would have limited it to 2 up plus bag(s).
Re the "3 attempts to take off" (reportedly a comment in a message from Sala), it has been suggested in these pages that he may have meant 3 attempts required to start the engine, which sounds more likely.
Edit: Beaten to it by the two previous posts !
DH could shed a lot of light.............
But how much responsibility can be put on McKay? I do feel that there is some clear responsibility for him here to "arrange" this flight.
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Ok, so now the trend of conversation is towards non legal charter/cost sharing etc and Wingly, whilst not being used in this instance, and being totally legal in the CAA's eyes, I saw this. I was certain that you needed 100+ hours before being a Wingly acceptable pilot. Obv not. 77 hrs in an R22 does not, in my opinion, make someone suitable to fly passengers in an R22. And I flew them for a lot of hours when I first started out. Did I take passengers for quick joyrides with me? yes I did but looking back I never should have. I knew too little. Take a look at this link. It's in the public domain on their website so I don't feel I'm doing anything wrong posting the link, but people will do all sorts to build hours. It's all legal but to me, it looks like its being run as a business by the pilot, not the odd ride in a helicopter. Too pre-planned for my liking.
https://en.wingly.io/index.php?page=...flight=1699971
https://en.wingly.io/index.php?page=...flight=1699971
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I think that McKay has made about as clear an allegation of illegal public transport as it is possible to make. I also think that more serious offences could be uncovered as the investigation goes on so now is the time for the forces of law and order to do their duty.
I still think the very shy aircraft owners need to explain why they were allowing their aircraft to be used for this purpose, which has clearly been going on for some considerable time, and if I was Cardiff City I would be asking McKay what due diligence he went through to ensure that the charter business he was using was either properly licensed or the flights were being brokered to a properly licensed operator.
I still think the very shy aircraft owners need to explain why they were allowing their aircraft to be used for this purpose, which has clearly been going on for some considerable time, and if I was Cardiff City I would be asking McKay what due diligence he went through to ensure that the charter business he was using was either properly licensed or the flights were being brokered to a properly licensed operator.
Unsure if related, Fri 18th
https://planefinder.net/flight/N531E...1-18T07:15:00#
https://planefinder.net/flight/N531E...1-18T07:15:00#
It also flew Cardiff-Nantes on 8th January, returning the following day, presumably connected with Sala's transfer negotiations. For the 8-9 Jan trip it positioned from/to Doncaster-Sheffield.
From the Daily Mirror article...
McKay said: "In regards to the booking of the flight, we contacted David Henderson who has flown us and many of our players all over Europe on countless occasions.
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Ok, so now the trend of conversation is towards non legal charter/cost sharing etc and Wingly, whilst not being used in this instance, and being totally legal in the CAA's eyes, I saw this. I was certain that you needed 100+ hours before being a Wingly acceptable pilot. Obv not. 77 hrs in an R22 does not, in my opinion, make someone suitable to fly passengers in an R22. And I flew them for a lot of hours when I first started out. Did I take passengers for quick joyrides with me? yes I did but looking back I never should have. I knew too little. Take a look at this link. It's in the public domain on their website so I don't feel I'm doing anything wrong posting the link, but people will do all sorts to build hours. It's all legal but to me, it looks like its being run as a business by the pilot, not the odd ride in a helicopter. Too pre-planned for my liking.
https://en.wingly.io/index.php?page=flights&flight=1699971
https://en.wingly.io/index.php?page=flights&flight=1699971
Jesus! My understanding was that they had dropped helicopters from the site 2 years ago due to the fact that the pilots have to demonstrate they have insurance, and that no insurer would take on these flights. 77 hours in an R22? He doesn't know enough to know how dangerous he is. When I and a couple of others started researching this lot we registered as customers and pilots, as soon as we started really digging they threatened us with lawyers on the basis of the idiotic letter from the CAA. In fact one colleague went to enforcements with that document as we believed it was fake. Even CAA enforcements were shocked to find it was real.
A read of this page is depressing enough, but follow the links to their arrangements with various NAA's, the CAA and EASA:
https://en.wingly.io/index.php?page=...ub_page=safety
I'm 60 in a few years so will have to stop single pilot AOC work by law, maybe this is a way to keep going, But maybe 30+ years and over 17 000 hours makes me over qualified.
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You wanna adventure, book a flight offered 'on your discretion' at Wingly with a whooping 50TT pilot with 5hoT ... and we push 60 year old pilots out of service, nuts.
Even leaving Wingly aside is it just me or is it beginning to look as though there is a whole, widespread and extensive industry going on in the UK flying illegal charters on N reg (and possibly others) aircraft to the severe detriment of bona-fide AOC operators and the CAA is just sitting there fat, dumb and happy and doing sweet fanny adams about it?
Just how big is this particular elephant in our room?
Just how big is this particular elephant in our room?
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Never realised how that Wingly thing operated, but seeing that link above, the whole concept should be shut down.
And to think of the discussions there have been and fuss about what a trial flight might be.
Also how would insurance get on with the crash flight, are Cardiff city now £15m out of pocket, could cause the club to close.
This could be one of the most complex insurance and big payouts ever for one crash.
What if the players family go for all and sundry.
And to think of the discussions there have been and fuss about what a trial flight might be.
Also how would insurance get on with the crash flight, are Cardiff city now £15m out of pocket, could cause the club to close.
This could be one of the most complex insurance and big payouts ever for one crash.
What if the players family go for all and sundry.
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Even leaving Wingly aside is it just me or is it beginning to look as though there is a whole, widespread and extensive industry going on in the UK flying illegal charters on N reg (and possibly others) aircraft to the severe detriment of bona-fide AOC operators and the CAA is just sitting there fat, dumb and happy and doing sweet fanny adams about it?
Just how big is this particular elephant in our room?
Just how big is this particular elephant in our room?
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Never realised how that Wingly thing operated, but seeing that link above, the whole concept should be shut down.
And to think of the discussions there have been and fuss about what a trial flight might be.
Also how would insurance get on with the crash flight, are Cardiff city now £15m out of pocket, could cause the club to close.
This could be one of the most complex insurance and big payouts ever for one crash.
What if the players family go for all and sundry.
And to think of the discussions there have been and fuss about what a trial flight might be.
Also how would insurance get on with the crash flight, are Cardiff city now £15m out of pocket, could cause the club to close.
This could be one of the most complex insurance and big payouts ever for one crash.
What if the players family go for all and sundry.
I looked at the standard Lloyd’s Accident Policy.
Hazardous Occupations, Sports, Pastimes or Activities
If you engage in any active occupation, sport or pastime or other activity which has a hazardous nature you should disclose it to us. If you are in any doubt as to what constitutes hazardous and if you are covered for such activity please contact your broker.
What is not covered (applicable to Sections one and two)
This contract of insurance does not cover claims in any way caused or contributed to by:
1. war, whether war be declared or not, hostilities or any act of war or civil war;
2. the actual or threatened malicious use of pathogenic or poisonous biological or chemical materials;
3. nuclear reaction, nuclear radiation or radioactive contamination;
4. your engaging in or taking part in armed forces service or operations;
5. your engaging in flying of any kind other than as a passenger;
So it will depend on an interpretation of Hazardous Occupations and whether they still consider you a passenger on a flight that is unlicensed.
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Even leaving Wingly aside is it just me or is it beginning to look as though there is a whole, widespread and extensive industry going on in the UK flying illegal charters on N reg (and possibly others) aircraft to the severe detriment of bona-fide AOC operators and the CAA is just sitting there fat, dumb and happy and doing sweet fanny adams about it?
Just how big is this particular elephant in our room?
Just how big is this particular elephant in our room?
Or rather, I couldn't, as no accident report was filed.
Well, one was, but it wasn't a paper one (the airline never troubled to pass that on to the CAA.)
And the result?
Nada. Zip. Nothing. And no official record of the event.
In terms of enforcement the CAA are a sleepy poodle with chocolate teeth and rubber balls.
I doubt that has changed in the not too many years since that occurred.
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Never realised how that Wingly thing operated, but seeing that link above, the whole concept should be shut down.
And to think of the discussions there have been and fuss about what a trial flight might be.
Also how would insurance get on with the crash flight, are Cardiff city now £15m out of pocket, could cause the club to close.
This could be one of the most complex insurance and big payouts ever for one crash.
What if the players family go for all and sundry.
And to think of the discussions there have been and fuss about what a trial flight might be.
Also how would insurance get on with the crash flight, are Cardiff city now £15m out of pocket, could cause the club to close.
This could be one of the most complex insurance and big payouts ever for one crash.
What if the players family go for all and sundry.
Edit Runway30 beat me to it... do you have any more detail on "passenger"?
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Even leaving Wingly aside is it just me or is it beginning to look as though there is a whole, widespread and extensive industry going on in the UK flying illegal charters on N reg (and possibly others) aircraft to the severe detriment of bona-fide AOC operators and the CAA is just sitting there fat, dumb and happy and doing sweet fanny adams about it?
Just how big is this particular elephant in our room?
Just how big is this particular elephant in our room?
In contrast to FAAs strict 'Don't even think policy', Europe has always been attracted by ideas of private 'special networks' and kept that not confined to Sicily. I doubt that'll change anytime soon. Just to throw some petrol to the campfire, Brexit could give the opportunity for CAA to adopt a more FAA-like approach ...
