Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
I humbly beg to differ. Painful as it may be, apart from cavalier attitudes to keeping their ratings current (they weren't), the main issues in both the the Colin McCrae and Graham Hill incidents were two pilots who had higher opinions of their skills than they, in truth, had. This caused their deaths and those of eight innocent members of the public flying with them.
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The pilot was 60 years old. So wouldn't have been allowed to do commercial single pilot ops under EASA regs.
I won't post a picture of the pilot, but he doesn't look as if he is in the prime of health for his age.
I won't post a picture of the pilot, but he doesn't look as if he is in the prime of health for his age.
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Hill’s FAA IR had lapsed, so had his UK IMC rating; his UK PPL was still valid. The aeroplane’s US registration had been cancelled three years previously; it was unregistered and stateless.
...he (Damon Hill) and his mother and two sisters were to discover that, because important documents had not been kept in order, the insurance policies were invalid. The consequences effectively ruined them...
It is for this reason amongst several others, that I believe the time is right for a far more transparent, clear, consistent and effectively policed compliance regime in all aspects of GA flying that involves the carriage of passengers. Period.
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Anyway to locate a small aircraft in the sea with accuracy is very difficult , even when you know precisely where it went down .
A Cessna 206 went down 10 years back taking off from Ajaccio Corsica only a few miles from the coast in daytime, SAR had the exact position the a/c went down , the pax were in a small dinghy , helicopter was on site within minutes but it took them over 7 hours to find them. In fact they only found them when it was night , using IR googles , one pilot spotted the small lamp of one pax life vest ! . The sea was rough. The PIC, was an AF 777 pilot with is wife and parents on board, ,he wrote a few years ago a very good detailed article about it in an aviation magazine in France .
Some info here just found on internet for those interested : ( in french ) :. C206 ajaccio 2009
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Les militaires et les gendarmes, qui ont des lunettes infrarouges, ont pu nous repérer [dans la nuit] grâce aux taches de chaleur.
And with reference to my own question about CI flying practices, further up, a PPL acquaintance writes:
It's perfectly possible for a small flying club to also run a private charter business using beaten up 4 seaters and as a way of building hours for recently qualified commercial pilots. But they still need an AOC and the plane still needs to be flown by someone with a CPL minimum.
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Whats all this talk on insurance? Considered we talk of a young soccer player just changing club for a whopping £15m, a law engagement if started will be in the 10 years lost income compensation scheme and well in the three digit £XXXm region. So, if there was something wrong that way, the widow and family of the pilot are doomed.
Please let us focus here on the pilotty thingies!
Please let us focus here on the pilotty thingies!
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I was referring to this statement which does not appear accurate, possibly because of the linked article not being in the poster's native language:
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So how prevalent is this type of flying , possibly bypassing the safeguards afforded by an AOC holder.
The Jersey Aero Club public Facebook page has a post from January 21st inviting someone to “ QUOTE ( a price) ” to transport a person from the Southampton area to Jersey on a certain date in March to “avoid” the need to fly from LGW.
Or is this perfectly acceptable under cost sharing rules and is effectively a Wingly type of service being offered but where the potential customer has no knowledge of the Pilots ability or experience?
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Whats all this talk on insurance? Considered we talk of a young soccer player just changing club for a whopping £15m, a law engagement if started will be in the 10 years lost income compensation scheme and well in the three digit £XXXm region. So, if there was something wrong that way, the widow and family of the pilot are doomed.
It may be that insurance cover from the club has not yet started as the player seems to have not yet started training.
It maybe that anyway such cover is conditional on certain higher risk activities and sports not being carried out. I know one of such policy banning the individual from skiing.
I'm sure we will discover that in reality the pilot was deep in debt and that his estate is insolvent - so all those who think they can get any money out of the deceased pilot's estate will be told to Go Whistle Dixie/Foxtrot Oscar.
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The European way to let grey areas slip through law enforcement and accept an economy based on 'networking', formerly known as corruption, is legendary. No, I do not find it acceptable to wreck the economical basis of trade by allowing private efforts slip underneath the legal layer agreed. What is called 'sharing society', formerly known as barter trading before the invention of money, is a huge step backwards in history. There is nothing wrong in favor among friends and neighbors, but that is always based on personal connection. Go a 'Wingly type of service' is trying to de-personalize personal relation, replacing friendship by artificial 'friendship'. It may be another world, but it is definitely not mine.
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It will all depend on many things as to whether the cover is valid.
It may be that insurance cover from the club has not yet started as the player seems to have not yet started training.
It maybe that anyway such cover is conditional on certain higher risk activities and sports not being carried out. I know one of such policy banning the individual from skiing.
I'm sure we will discover that in reality the pilot was deep in debt and that his estate is insolvent - so all those who think they can get any money out of the deceased pilot's estate will be told to Go Whistle Dixie/Foxtrot Oscar.
It may be that insurance cover from the club has not yet started as the player seems to have not yet started training.
It maybe that anyway such cover is conditional on certain higher risk activities and sports not being carried out. I know one of such policy banning the individual from skiing.
I'm sure we will discover that in reality the pilot was deep in debt and that his estate is insolvent - so all those who think they can get any money out of the deceased pilot's estate will be told to Go Whistle Dixie/Foxtrot Oscar.
I suspect the reality, if ever revealed, may shock us all.
Somebody named similar a while ago on another unrelated issue 'walking accident to happen'.
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The European way to let grey areas slip through law enforcement and accept an economy based on 'networking', formerly known as corruption, is legendary. No, I do not find it acceptable to wreck the economical basis of trade by allowing private efforts slip underneath the legal layer agreed. What is called 'sharing society', formerly known as barter trading before the invention of money, is a huge step backwards in history. There is nothing wrong in favor among friends and neighbors, but that is always based on personal connection. Go a 'Wingly type of service' is trying to de-personalize personal relation, replacing friendship by artificial 'friendship'. It may be another world, but it is definitely not mine.
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I completely agree with Chickenhouses comments regarding personal connections and friends and neighbours .
in those situations a PPL may make a verbal agreement to fly someone known to them from A to B subject to vagaries of the weather.
But Facebook requests such as this specifying a requirement for an unknown person to fly on a certain date potentially bypass the decision making process of weather suitability for a PPL wishing to gain hours for minimum cost.
in those situations a PPL may make a verbal agreement to fly someone known to them from A to B subject to vagaries of the weather.
But Facebook requests such as this specifying a requirement for an unknown person to fly on a certain date potentially bypass the decision making process of weather suitability for a PPL wishing to gain hours for minimum cost.
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Flap 80 has absolutely nailed what I'm concerned about. However, my concern right here is not about personal preferences in terms of the ethics of business transactions but about the legal and insurance ramifications if (when?) it all goes wrong, especially given the kind of clientele one can reasonably expect to be flying in and out of the CI.
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in those situations a PPL may make a verbal agreement to fly someone known to them from A to B subject to vagaries of the weather.
But Facebook requests such as this specifying a requirement for an unknown person to fly on a certain date potentially bypass the decision making process of weather suitability for a PPL wishing to gain hours for minimum cost.
Thanks, another well-put and insightful point as it relates to my experience.
What is ironic is the total media silence on the two Brits that flew their aircraft into the Pyrenees recently and non stop cover on this one due to Celebrity. If there's any good to come out of this avoidable mess perhaps the authorities will deal with people operating dodgy schemes to get around regulations that were created to make the public safe.
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Insurance is important because the act of getting correctly insured is a major step in the validation or otherwise of any given commercial activity (like commercial aviation). Insurers do not generally insure non-compliant activity (not implying anything whatsoever about this accident).
The employers liability CH is referring to is called Death in Service Benefit, and it will depend on the employer's terms and conditions of employment, which will be almost infinitely variable. However, a very frequent and standard clause is any payment made in the first two years of employment will be a single, not very big, lump sum. What Cardiff City have in place nobody other than the employers and employees of said outfit will know, but the suggestion that his family will benefit is somewhat fanciful. He was single and childless, was he not not? That means he has no dependents to pay out too. Death in Service schemes do not normally pay out to parents/siblings, they are designed to protect dependents.
I agree all this is speculative and not the most important part of the flight safety discussion (albeit, it is significant in the context of licensing), so might I suggest, people who don't know about insurance and associated issues, stop posting (guessing) about the subject. That way we can stick to the flying.
The employers liability CH is referring to is called Death in Service Benefit, and it will depend on the employer's terms and conditions of employment, which will be almost infinitely variable. However, a very frequent and standard clause is any payment made in the first two years of employment will be a single, not very big, lump sum. What Cardiff City have in place nobody other than the employers and employees of said outfit will know, but the suggestion that his family will benefit is somewhat fanciful. He was single and childless, was he not not? That means he has no dependents to pay out too. Death in Service schemes do not normally pay out to parents/siblings, they are designed to protect dependents.
I agree all this is speculative and not the most important part of the flight safety discussion (albeit, it is significant in the context of licensing), so might I suggest, people who don't know about insurance and associated issues, stop posting (guessing) about the subject. That way we can stick to the flying.
Mr Ibbotson, who worked as a gas engineer based in Crowle, is believed to have had extensive experience carrying parachute enthusiasts on flights from private airfields.
We never paid the pilots anything. Maybe a lunch in the pub afterwards. There was a queue of them wanting to do the work. One of them drove 150 miles each way for a weekend's jumping. They fell into two categories. Young guys who wanted the hours as part of building up their experience to apply to an airline. And older/retired guys who did it to keep their hours up at somebody else's expense. I believe glider clubs work the same way with glider tug tow pilots.