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Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island

Old 5th Jun 2019, 16:45
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Originally Posted by Ddraig Goch View Post
BBC Wales has an investigation of the affair tonight (Monday 20th May) at 20:30.
[Edited to add - Very little aviation content.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0005c8d
Available until April 2020.
Emiliano Sala: A Family’s Search for Truth
The tragic death of Emiliano Sala in a plane crash touched thousands of people across the world. BBC Wales Investigates examines the circumstances of the crash.

I imagine it will be UK only but there are likely workarounds - vpn - proxy.

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Old 6th Jun 2019, 08:35
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Unfortunately BBC iplayer somehow blocks the use of VPNs from aboad............................
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 12:22
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There was very little about the flight, it was mainly comments by his family and friends and his football career.
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Old 6th Jun 2019, 19:08
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Originally Posted by Capt Scribble View Post
There was very little about the flight, it was mainly comments by his family and friends and his football career.
I had a discussion with the Editor about it because I thought that if they were going to cover aspects of the flight they should have done a proper job or left it well alone.
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Old 7th Jun 2019, 01:43
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Guy's does anyone know if Paul Holroyd used to fly B757s for Flyglobespan? name is familiar.
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 19:29
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An article was published in the Guardian.

"Cardiff chairman criticises ‘shoddy behaviour’ of Willie McKay in Sala deal"

It is the comments of the Cardiff Chairman, Mehmet Dalman.
Here is a quote from that article:

"Dalman was particularly critical of Willie McKay, who played a key role in Sala’s transfer from Nantes to Cardiff, including arranging a private flight that crashed into the Channel, even though he was not a licensed agent and was acting on behalf of his son Mark."

The full text is at : https://www.theguardian.com/football...alman-chairman
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 20:06
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This quote underlines what has been happening for a long time.
McKay said he had been acting in good faith by helping his son with the Sala transfer. He also pointed out that he had arranged the flight through the same man who had been helping him book flights for more than a decade.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 19:14
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Interesting term " acting in good faith ". It is the sort of term found in legal language, not one for the common folk used in everyday language. For example, just to illustrate the point, surely it is not the sort of thing one would spill out given the misfortune of a visitation by the Mrs. whilst in the act of fumbling to do up the brassiere of the maid in the milking parlour, with breeches riding at half mast. Would that not be analogous to crying after spilt milk. Unless of course one happens to be a lawyer who is well able to maintain equanimity and stiff.. upper lip, under the most severe circumstances. So translating this to language spoken by a non-lawyer, it would be, look mate I am telling you, honest mate, I done it sort of a favour, helping me kid like, kinda like giving him a hand with the job so to speak, if you like, if you see what I mean. I`d done it sort of more than ten years, if you see what I mean.

Nevertheless, presently it is intermission time. Second Act will commence after AAIB release the accident report.I expect that`s when actors wearing their gowns and wigs will be on the stage and give us all a much better performance as to meaning of "good faith". I wait with great anticipation to hear what that may be.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 11:26
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Any timeline on the AAIB investigations?
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 14:12
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AAIB

How long is a piece of string? As an avid consumer of AAIB reports for 20+ years I think we may hear quite soon, as there is so little to say. 'CFIT when dis-oriented in IMC'. There are no black boxes, no flight plans that mean anything, no radio messages of any use either. AAIB don't seem to want to see the wreckage either. Mr Sala was not happy about some aspects of the flight, but what did he know about flying?

The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 16:24
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It was notable that in the D-Day parachute re-enaction, which included two aircraft carrying the British Army Red Devils parachute display team, both of their two civilian aircraft (a Beech 99 and a Cessna Caravan) were USA registered, although based in the UK, and thus presumably were compliant with FAA regs rather than UK ones.

If it's good enough for the UK government ....
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 19:43
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Originally Posted by Olympia463 View Post
How long is a piece of string? As an avid consumer of AAIB reports for 20+ years I think we may hear quite soon, as there is so little to say. 'CFIT when dis-oriented in IMC'. There are no black boxes, no flight plans that mean anything, no radio messages of any use either. AAIB don't seem to want to see the wreckage either. Mr Sala was not happy about some aspects of the flight, but what did he know about flying?

The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.
Am afraid could not disagree more with the second paragraph above. It is precisely because PPRuNe IS a forum of discussion that incidents such as this must not be just of interest, but moreover it must be of grave concern to those who subscribe to it.
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Old 14th Jun 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by WHBM View Post
It was notable that in the D-Day parachute re-enaction, which included two aircraft carrying the British Army Red Devils parachute display team, both of their two civilian aircraft (a Beech 99 and a Cessna Caravan) were USA registered, although based in the UK, and thus presumably were compliant with FAA regs rather than UK ones.

If it's good enough for the UK government ....
They are also fully compliant with Uk regulations and operate under the direct authority of the UK CAA for parachute operations. No grey areas at all.
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 17:36
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Man arrested from North Yorkshire

64 year old man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter today, breaking across all news outlets
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 17:41
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Detectives investigating the death of professional footballer Emiliano Sala have confirmed that a man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter by an unlawful act.

https://www.dorset.police.uk/news-in...n/article/7809
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 19:18
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Emiliano Sala: Manslaughter arrest over footballer's death

"Det Insp Huxter urged people not to speculate about the identity of the man as it could hinder the investigation."
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Old 19th Jun 2019, 23:52
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Sala manslaughter arrest

Looks like they have arrested *someone* in connection with the Sala crash ... a 64 yr old from North Yorkshire. Probably not Willie McKay the "football agent", as he is 60 and from Monaco ... maybe David Henderson?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48694561
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 00:30
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David Henderson Arrested

[QUOTE=paperHanger;10498160]Looks like they have arrested *someone* in connection with the Sala crash ... a 64 yr old from North Yorkshire. Probably not Willie McKay the "football agent", as he is 60 and from Monaco ... maybe David Henderson?


Apparently it is indeed David Henderson, according to Daily Mail.

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 01:28
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Yep the times.co.uk are also reporting this... 64yr old man so it has to be him who organised mr ibbotson to fly the plane to taxi sala.

Always wondered why henderson was so quiet regarding the tragic accident.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 03:30
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[QUOTE=martinebrangan;10498177]
Originally Posted by paperHanger View Post
Looks like they have arrested *someone* in connection with the Sala crash ... a 64 yr old from North Yorkshire. Probably not Willie McKay the "football agent", as he is 60 and from Monaco ... maybe David Henderson?


Apparently it is indeed David Henderson, according to Daily Mail.
So for those not in the know, can you enlighten us? Who is David Henderson?
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