Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
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I came back to this thread to report that I just learned yesterday that my Jersey-based client has now ceased all recourse to such flights; now I know why.
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Isle-Fly have been operating in and out of Jersey for a long time but lost out to the 'grey market'
lt looks like RVL chose the right time to purchase a new King Air.
New additions to the Isle-Fly fleet
How we all wish that this terrible event had never happened. Real legal alternatives have always been available.
lt looks like RVL chose the right time to purchase a new King Air.
New additions to the Isle-Fly fleet
How we all wish that this terrible event had never happened. Real legal alternatives have always been available.
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Interesting couple of inputs ... thank you both.
I note RVL made much of their probity in that Feb 2018 notification.
I note RVL made much of their probity in that Feb 2018 notification.
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BBC Wales has an investigation of the affair tonight (Monday 20th May) at 20:30.
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Hmmm ... who are these people? Looks like flying an approach below minimums and ignoring ATC. Get-Home-itis with a grey charter on board? Looking forward with interest to th outcome.
https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...ying-incident/
https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...ying-incident/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0005c8d
Available until April 2020.
Emiliano Sala: A Family’s Search for Truth
The tragic death of Emiliano Sala in a plane crash touched thousands of people across the world. BBC Wales Investigates examines the circumstances of the crash.
I imagine it will be UK only but there are likely workarounds - vpn - proxy.
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I had a discussion with the Editor about it because I thought that if they were going to cover aspects of the flight they should have done a proper job or left it well alone.
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An article was published in the Guardian.
Here is a quote from that article:
"Dalman was particularly critical of Willie McKay, who played a key role in Sala’s transfer from Nantes to Cardiff, including arranging a private flight that crashed into the Channel, even though he was not a licensed agent and was acting on behalf of his son Mark."
The full text is at : https://www.theguardian.com/football...alman-chairman
"Cardiff chairman criticises ‘shoddy behaviour’ of Willie McKay in Sala deal"
It is the comments of the Cardiff Chairman, Mehmet Dalman.Here is a quote from that article:
"Dalman was particularly critical of Willie McKay, who played a key role in Sala’s transfer from Nantes to Cardiff, including arranging a private flight that crashed into the Channel, even though he was not a licensed agent and was acting on behalf of his son Mark."
The full text is at : https://www.theguardian.com/football...alman-chairman
This quote underlines what has been happening for a long time.
McKay said he had been acting in good faith by helping his son with the Sala transfer. He also pointed out that he had arranged the flight through the same man who had been helping him book flights for more than a decade.
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Interesting term " acting in good faith ". It is the sort of term found in legal language, not one for the common folk used in everyday language. For example, just to illustrate the point, surely it is not the sort of thing one would spill out given the misfortune of a visitation by the Mrs. whilst in the act of fumbling to do up the brassiere of the maid in the milking parlour, with breeches riding at half mast. Would that not be analogous to crying after spilt milk. Unless of course one happens to be a lawyer who is well able to maintain equanimity and stiff.. upper lip, under the most severe circumstances. So translating this to language spoken by a non-lawyer, it would be, look mate I am telling you, honest mate, I done it sort of a favour, helping me kid like, kinda like giving him a hand with the job so to speak, if you like, if you see what I mean. I`d done it sort of more than ten years, if you see what I mean.
Nevertheless, presently it is intermission time. Second Act will commence after AAIB release the accident report.I expect that`s when actors wearing their gowns and wigs will be on the stage and give us all a much better performance as to meaning of "good faith". I wait with great anticipation to hear what that may be.
Nevertheless, presently it is intermission time. Second Act will commence after AAIB release the accident report.I expect that`s when actors wearing their gowns and wigs will be on the stage and give us all a much better performance as to meaning of "good faith". I wait with great anticipation to hear what that may be.
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How long is a piece of string? As an avid consumer of AAIB reports for 20+ years I think we may hear quite soon, as there is so little to say. 'CFIT when dis-oriented in IMC'. There are no black boxes, no flight plans that mean anything, no radio messages of any use either. AAIB don't seem to want to see the wreckage either. Mr Sala was not happy about some aspects of the flight, but what did he know about flying?
The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.
The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.
It was notable that in the D-Day parachute re-enaction, which included two aircraft carrying the British Army Red Devils parachute display team, both of their two civilian aircraft (a Beech 99 and a Cessna Caravan) were USA registered, although based in the UK, and thus presumably were compliant with FAA regs rather than UK ones.
If it's good enough for the UK government ....
If it's good enough for the UK government ....
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How long is a piece of string? As an avid consumer of AAIB reports for 20+ years I think we may hear quite soon, as there is so little to say. 'CFIT when dis-oriented in IMC'. There are no black boxes, no flight plans that mean anything, no radio messages of any use either. AAIB don't seem to want to see the wreckage either. Mr Sala was not happy about some aspects of the flight, but what did he know about flying?
The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.
The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.
The consequences of our judgment, individual and at times collective, is put to the test by the judiciary. That test will involve examination as thorough, intensive and fine detail as a electron microscope may provide. From that we then also learn a valuable lesson. From that we learn of other`s errors, mistakes, lack of and/or poor judgment. And those who have an affinity for learning, there is therefore every hope that similar failings will not re occur. So this forum does provide that essential medium to those of us who seek to continue to learn.
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It was notable that in the D-Day parachute re-enaction, which included two aircraft carrying the British Army Red Devils parachute display team, both of their two civilian aircraft (a Beech 99 and a Cessna Caravan) were USA registered, although based in the UK, and thus presumably were compliant with FAA regs rather than UK ones.
If it's good enough for the UK government ....
If it's good enough for the UK government ....