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Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island

Old 4th Feb 2019, 10:50
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I'm not sure I've read anywhere that, 'there were no signs of the occupants'. The opposite in fact, AAIB quotes 'one body is visible'. That, of course doesn't mean there aren't two.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47118340
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So then you know that having the pressurisation controller set at 500 feet above the airfield elevation of departure would mean once the aircraft was descending towards SL and below 500 feet give or take variations in local pressure altitude that the hull should be de-pressurized below 500 feet or have very little pressure remaining in the hull, bar the squat switch not being activated as the gear was probably up for the ditching would leave a very minor positive pressure in the hull.


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The number of times I have sat waiting for it to bleed down on landing to be able to open the door is beyond a joke. The squat switch is unreliable to say the least. It only takes a tiny differential to stop that door opening from first had experience. But its a moot point as they have found at least one body inside the wreckage.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 11:38
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The door seems open?
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 11:40
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The door seems open?
And the tail appears to be nearly torn off...... Your point?
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The door could have been opened intentionally by a survivor?
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 11:49
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Originally Posted by vanHorck View Post
The door could have been opened intentionally by a survivor?
The same forces involved in nearly ripping off the tail could have more than easily opened the door. It's irrelevant.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 11:52
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Originally Posted by Gwyn_ap_Nudd View Post
According to the BBC, AAIB teams have "moved into location at the site to recover the aircraft"

How likely is that the AAIB chartered vessel will attempt a recovery? How feasible is it? And why do it? Recovery only sensible if it helps explain what happened - and it is highly unlikely to provide any additional information about the causes of this accident, which sadly seem depressingly obvious - again.

If the families want the bodies recovered, is that not their prerogative, and up to them to organise? What are the normal rules for this, at sea? It is very sad, but encouraging continued 'hope' is bad for all concerned, in the long run.

( A strange exercise this - an American registered aircraft, on a flight from France with a British pilot who held both an EASA and an American private licence. If it crashed in international waters, presumably the main reason that the CAA/AAIB is involved is that the exercise originated from the UK and it had, sadly, one UK citizen plus one recently arrived new UK to-be-resident aboard.)
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 12:02
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How likely is that the AAIB chartered vessel will attempt a recovery? How feasible is it?
According to my chart of the area, the depth is circa 60 metres at low tide so it wouldn't be necessary to use flotation bags. Geo Ocean 3 has a deck winch and a frame winch, both of which would hardly notice a 1 tonne('ish) load at that depth so I am pretty sure the AAIB will make a decision to lift unless the families say otherwise. If they were mine and I knew the lift was relatively straightforward, I think I'd want them back.

The aircraft is also not in 'international waters' in the strictest sense. On a navigation chart, the water in that part of the channel is considered to be UK - albeit pretty much right on the border between the two countries.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 12:35
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I would have thought that notwithstanding the legalities or otherwise of the flight, it would be significant if the wreckage showed, for example, an engine failure? Hence a very worthwhile investigation. It is of course also possible they may find that the pilot suffered an incapacitation at the controls. I think given the prominence of this case, the emergence of facts would be helpful to quell some of the more absurd hypotheses.
So long as the correct approach is taken to cross water flights in SEP aircraft, the safety record remains very safe indeed and it's vital that we learn causes of any accident. It's pretty clear that the biggest single factor in crashes whether in cars or aircraft remains pilot error, but engine failures at night over water are unlikely to end well where they were at that time.... so if the engine is in tact.... the attribution would lie elsewhere.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 12:40
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Originally Posted by strake View Post
According to my chart of the area, the depth is circa 60 metres at low tide so it wouldn't be necessary to use flotation bags.
Just read the printing on the photograph ... it says 67 meters deep ;-). They will only recover the body/bodies if the family agrees. They will only salvage the wreck if they believe to gather information otherwise not available. I doubt they'll do it, but who knows?
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 12:51
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From an article in Ouest France;

Dave Henderson, a pilot who knew the missing plane well, came to Nantes airport Monday, January 21st. But he did not embark with Emiliano Sala.
https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/fo...aissit-6191285

Does anybody know if there is any truth in this? Has Mr Henderson made any statement about his alleged involvement in the flight?

The article also alleges that three people arrived on the Piper, Dave Henderson and David Ibbotson and and unknown person. Who was that?
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Just read the printing on the photograph ... it says 67 meters deep ;-)
At that time yesterday, the tide was 6m higher than low tide. ;-)
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 13:00
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Originally Posted by OPENDOOR View Post
From an article in Ouest France;



https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/fo...aissit-6191285

Does anybody know if there is any truth in this? Has Mr Henderson made any statement about his alleged involvement in the flight?

The article also alleges that three people arrived on the Piper, Dave Henderson and David Ibbotson and and unknown person. Who was that?
Yes it is known and was reported in the news before. A friend who brought him to the plane.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 13:13
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Originally Posted by OPENDOOR View Post
From an article in Ouest France;



https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/fo...aissit-6191285

Does anybody know if there is any truth in this? Has Mr Henderson made any statement about his alleged involvement in the flight?

The article also alleges that three people arrived on the Piper, Dave Henderson and David Ibbotson and and unknown person. Who was that?
Who can tell the truth?
As noted much earlier in this thread, DH said he had not been in Nantes for a year:-
Mr Henderson, 60, from York, told MailOnline he had not been in France, adding: 'I have not been to Nantes for one year.'
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 13:29
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Originally Posted by OPENDOOR View Post
From an article in Ouest France

The article also alleges that three people arrived on the Piper, Dave Henderson and David Ibbotson and and unknown person. Who was that?
If that means there were Three people aboard when the aircraft arrived on Saturday 19/1 it would be Ibbotson, Sala plus one. Possibly Henderson?
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 13:32
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As 'ballsy' goes, if Henderson's 'not been in Nantes for a year' claim is untrue, that's got to be off the scale!

Fairly safe to assume that he's not been in Nantes for a year I would suggest - for the moment, at least. Perhaps explaining where he WAS rather than wasn't would put that particularly rumour to rest permanently.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 13:45
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Who came up with the strange idea of 'finding the flight recorder of the flight'? Just saw that mentioned on TV. Never heard of a Malibu carrying a FDR.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 14:06
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Obviously no official FDR but the AAIB have on occassion recovered information on the track of an aircraft prior to incident from onboard GPS equipment, both inbuilt avionics and the likes of Sky Demon running on an iPad. This work is often quite involved in the case of water damage when flash memory chips are carefully transplanted from the water damaged equipment to a working version. However it can be done.

Also at risk of stating obvious, instruments e.g. ASI, VSI may also fail in a way that indicates airspeed, vert. speed at time of impact.

Chaps at AAIB are highly skilled and very thorough. Whether or not they have the resources to justify such an investigation into an SEP with 2 POB crashing into the sea in IMC is anyone's guess.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 14:45
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Originally Posted by biscuit74 View Post
If the families want the bodies recovered, is that not their prerogative, and up to them to organise?
Is there not a legal requirement for an inquest in these circumstances? If so, presumably the Coroner would determine whether the bodies are required for a PM.

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