Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island
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Position reported for the wreckage spot on the DCT course line?
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That way people who transgress can expect a consequence very many people know others who operate close to the wind and others find out usually when the tide has gone out and we read about it in an AAIB report. Ill leave you to read them for yourself however perhaps one start could be the warnings given about the man who died in his own AW139 in Norfolk. Why wasnt that dealt with years before?
This accident appears to be pretty much the opposite of the above, least of all in the crew suitability. In all three accidents the opportunity prior to flight, and with G-GH specifically once airborne, was there for the crew/crews to call halt, or ‘no go’ and they didn’t.
I’ve had crews ‘refuse’ flight, always with good reason. That cost the operator significant amounts of money and a degree of difficulty and ‘embarrassment’ with the clients. No one died though.
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The aircraft would not have been pressurised by the time it got to sea level with the engine at idle, it relies on the engine turbo charger system to pressurise it.
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So then you know that having the pressurisation controller set at 500 feet above the airfield elevation of departure would mean once the aircraft was descending towards SL and below 500 feet give or take variations in local pressure altitude that the hull should be de-pressurized below 500 feet or have very little pressure remaining in the hull, bar the squat switch not being activated as the gear was probably up for the ditching would leave a very minor positive pressure in the hull.
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I'm not sure I've read anywhere that, 'there were no signs of the occupants'. The opposite in fact, AAIB quotes 'one body is visible'. That, of course doesn't mean there aren't two.
BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47118340
BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47118340
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So then you know that having the pressurisation controller set at 500 feet above the airfield elevation of departure would mean once the aircraft was descending towards SL and below 500 feet give or take variations in local pressure altitude that the hull should be de-pressurized below 500 feet or have very little pressure remaining in the hull, bar the squat switch not being activated as the gear was probably up for the ditching would leave a very minor positive pressure in the hull.
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How likely is that the AAIB chartered vessel will attempt a recovery? How feasible is it? And why do it? Recovery only sensible if it helps explain what happened - and it is highly unlikely to provide any additional information about the causes of this accident, which sadly seem depressingly obvious - again.
If the families want the bodies recovered, is that not their prerogative, and up to them to organise? What are the normal rules for this, at sea? It is very sad, but encouraging continued 'hope' is bad for all concerned, in the long run.
( A strange exercise this - an American registered aircraft, on a flight from France with a British pilot who held both an EASA and an American private licence. If it crashed in international waters, presumably the main reason that the CAA/AAIB is involved is that the exercise originated from the UK and it had, sadly, one UK citizen plus one recently arrived new UK to-be-resident aboard.)
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How likely is that the AAIB chartered vessel will attempt a recovery? How feasible is it?
The aircraft is also not in 'international waters' in the strictest sense. On a navigation chart, the water in that part of the channel is considered to be UK - albeit pretty much right on the border between the two countries.
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I would have thought that notwithstanding the legalities or otherwise of the flight, it would be significant if the wreckage showed, for example, an engine failure? Hence a very worthwhile investigation. It is of course also possible they may find that the pilot suffered an incapacitation at the controls. I think given the prominence of this case, the emergence of facts would be helpful to quell some of the more absurd hypotheses.
So long as the correct approach is taken to cross water flights in SEP aircraft, the safety record remains very safe indeed and it's vital that we learn causes of any accident. It's pretty clear that the biggest single factor in crashes whether in cars or aircraft remains pilot error, but engine failures at night over water are unlikely to end well where they were at that time.... so if the engine is in tact.... the attribution would lie elsewhere.
So long as the correct approach is taken to cross water flights in SEP aircraft, the safety record remains very safe indeed and it's vital that we learn causes of any accident. It's pretty clear that the biggest single factor in crashes whether in cars or aircraft remains pilot error, but engine failures at night over water are unlikely to end well where they were at that time.... so if the engine is in tact.... the attribution would lie elsewhere.
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Just read the printing on the photograph ... it says 67 meters deep ;-). They will only recover the body/bodies if the family agrees. They will only salvage the wreck if they believe to gather information otherwise not available. I doubt they'll do it, but who knows?
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From an article in Ouest France;
https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/fo...aissit-6191285
Does anybody know if there is any truth in this? Has Mr Henderson made any statement about his alleged involvement in the flight?
The article also alleges that three people arrived on the Piper, Dave Henderson and David Ibbotson and and unknown person. Who was that?
Dave Henderson, a pilot who knew the missing plane well, came to Nantes airport Monday, January 21st. But he did not embark with Emiliano Sala.
Does anybody know if there is any truth in this? Has Mr Henderson made any statement about his alleged involvement in the flight?
The article also alleges that three people arrived on the Piper, Dave Henderson and David Ibbotson and and unknown person. Who was that?