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Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island

Old 29th Nov 2021, 16:37
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I remember a minor CAA campaign (about ten years ago?) where they produced leaflets for potential passengers, explaining the requirement to ensure that a proposed flight was sought from an AOC holder, rather than any old Joe Soap PPL holder who fancied illegally earning a bob or two and risking it.

These were placed on the desk at Battersea heliport and other places and handed out at major events.
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 20:41
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CAA launch consultation on cost-sharing

Cost sharing flights are flights shared by private individuals. The ‘cost-share’ element refers to the costs of the specific flight which can be shared between the pilot and others onboard the aircraft. These costs are the ‘direct costs’ which are directly incurred in relation to a specific flight such as fuel, airfield charges, or aircraft rental fees.

One of the problems with cost sharing flights is where pilots and passengers of Illegal Commercial Air Transport collude to present illegal flights as legal cost shared flights.

In 2021 we reviewed the cost sharing regulations. This consultation is focused on our proposals to update the regulations
https://consultations.caa.co.uk/corp...hared-flights/
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Old 2nd Dec 2021, 06:54
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So who might have been jointly liable here ?

Henderson ? Ibbotson ? McKay ? McKay Junior ? Southern Aircraft Consultancy ? Cardiff football club ? The CAA for looking the other way ? Sala ?

Seems like a route to lawyers' riches.
The CAA enforcement need adequate resources and legal authority to undertake HMRC style forensic examination of financial transactions where these unlawful activities are suspected.

Adequate publicity will be needed with any changes in the law to make it abundantly clear that even ‘aiding & abetting’ such activity is an offence with fines/jail time.

Deter the practice with beefed up legislation & the feeding frenzy of M’learned friends will be reserved for an occasional Crown Court appearance.
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Old 7th Dec 2021, 10:02
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Somewhat similar case reported from France: PA-46 accident passengers wrongly believed they were flying with airline | News – Intecaerospace
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Rich people making mistakes that only rich people can make; trying to be cheap

And regulators turning a big, blind eye. Quelle surprise.
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Old 7th Dec 2021, 11:58
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Wow - unbelievable, especially as the KLM Loyalty programme is called "Flying Blue"
French investigation authority BEA has detailed its concern over the way the flight to Courchevel mountain airfield was arranged, after the passenger organising the trip believed the service was associated with Air France-KLM. The flight – on 8 February 2019 – was actually a private one, arranged through an internet platform called Bluewings which put passengers in contact with aircraft owners and pilots.

Bluewings had been assisted by a start-up studio for new businesses, called BigBlank, which was a subsidiary of Air France-KLM created to incubate innovative travel projects. BigBlank helped create the Bluewings platform. The Bluewings website indicated, in small print, that it was not an airline and its purpose was to facilitate travel by connecting passengers with pilots and aircraft.

But when the passenger paid for the hire of the aircraft and pilot, through a single invoice, the bank transfer details mentioned BigBlank and Air France-KLM, giving the impression that the airline group was involved. BEA adds that other services proposed on the website, such as hotel transfer, could “resemble” those of commercial transport, even while remaining in the scope of private operation.
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Like the concept of AIR TRANSPORT POLICE….
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Old 28th Jan 2022, 08:45
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro...-15915539/amp/

Anyone got a current address or phone number? Coroner might appreciate a heads up if so.
Mind you postal service has been a bit wobbly with Omicron fallout, so he might not have received the letter…
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David Henderson has been refused permission to appeal his 18 month sentence by the Court of Appeal.
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Inquest began today

In Bournemouth Town Hall. With a jury.

Wiki says:

"Since 1927, coroner's juries have rarely been used in England. Under the Coroners Act 1988, a jury is only required to be convened in cases where the death occurred in prison, police custody, or in circumstances which may affect public health or safety."


'Expected to last 5 weeks' says the report I read.


Not allowed by this site to post a link, however
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Old 15th Feb 2022, 17:42
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60390698
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Old 2nd Mar 2022, 06:26
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Don't know if this is new information or not: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-60579764
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Old 15th Mar 2022, 14:46
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A little more background information coming to light:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60738627


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And some more:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-60767283
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Footballer Emiliano Sala died instantly from "head and trunk injuries" when the plane he was in crashed after breaking up mid-air, a jury has found
Really? Where do they get this from?
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It is in the AAIB report.
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Old 18th Mar 2022, 17:37
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Really? Where do they get this from?
That was the inquest jury's finding based on the Sala post-mortem. Also referenced in the AAIB official report, although the jury would not have been bound by that and may not even have read it.
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 01:45
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Thanks chaps, amazing the detail one forgets. I'll put the dunce cap on and stand in the corner.
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New , so not sure how to post links but if someone could , there’s an article in the ‘Sun’ a several days ago regarding a new book out on the accident.
If someone could be so kind as to get it here , we can all boggle at the underwater images of the ‘Private jet’ Sala died in...
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Originally Posted by Flugzeug A
New , so not sure how to post links but if someone could , there’s an article in the ‘Sun’ a several days ago regarding a new book out on the accident.
If someone could be so kind as to get it here , we can all boggle at the underwater images of the ‘Private jet’ Sala died in...
The book that was referred to in the article was published in Jan 2020. The authoir was Harry Harris, a football writer. The title is The Killing of Emiliano Sala: The Inside Story of a Tragic Transfer. I should add the article in The Sun this week was written by Harry Harris, so he was just promoting his own book.
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