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Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island

Old 30th Sep 2019, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Teddy Robinson View Post
So what ? this is an aviation forum, not a football forum.
A British business being so out of pocket will bring more pressure to bear on scrutiny of the arrangements made for the flight and, by extension, any future arrangements for such flights all of which is entirely aviation related.
Q.E.D.
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 22:29
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Originally Posted by Hadley Rille View Post
A British business being so out of pocket will bring more pressure to bear on scrutiny of the arrangements made for the flight and, by extension, any future arrangements for such flights all of which is entirely aviation related.
Q.E.D.
As I see it there will be more focus on the grey areas that have existed with jockey flights etc and US registered aircraft operating in the UK but owned by UK residents.

Insurance companies might assess this arena as not worth the risk

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Old 1st Oct 2019, 16:40
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I sincerely hope so, but have my doubts.
I suspect the majority of AOC holders have been banging their collective heads against the wall trying to stop this so called and badly named grey charter business.
I sometimes wonder how many Pilots " Don't" know someone who is doing this.
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Old 1st Oct 2019, 17:45
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post

I can’t help but wonder why, if all these ‘Air-Grey’ charters are being flown visibly from UK airfields the resident AOC holders have not done so.
Or have they reported them and been ignored ? Several correspondents on here seem to be well aware of what’s been going on.
Has it been reported and ignored or has it just been ignored?
Be lucky
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 11:01
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I'm afraid it comes under the "all too difficult" heading at the CAA. I expect they have a pretty good idea who is doing this but realistically it is very hard to obtain sufficient proof to get a conviction. If they ramp-check an aircraft at a race meeting they can't detain passengers or question them and the pilot will simply say no money changed hands so it's a private flight. Who'se to say different?
Even in a case as high-profile as this the complex paper-trail of ownership seems to hve been extremely difficult to follow and if all the protagonists deny any knowledge or say it wasn't me, someone else organised it prosecution seems agonisingly slow and difficult.
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Old 7th Oct 2019, 10:50
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo View Post
I'm afraid it comes under the "all too difficult" heading at the CAA. I expect they have a pretty good idea who is doing this .........
Sadly the case meleagertoo, and not helped at all by the regulators themselves who actively "approve" the Wingly's of this world and, thereby, seem to further cloud the "grey" area - even in the minds of those of us involved in the industry. What hope does "Joe (and/or Jacquie!) Public" have to be aware of the legal questions/pitfalls of such flights?

As it is, there is another thread running about how active pilots gloss over the risks involved with GA when just talking to their loved ones - in case they get "grounded" by their families! If we pilots have difficulty justifying the risks.....

Occasionally there are cases where prosecutions are successful but, sadly, usually after the event when the evidence is, ahem, planted in a field (as in the case of the Barton Birdwatchers)! As has been previously stated, I think the Insurers will be the ones to lead on this - not that a little matter such as the integrity of the insurance cover will overly worry those involved in such practices.

What a mess! H 'n' H
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Old 7th Oct 2019, 11:17
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The 'charter' business was flourishing when I was learning to fly 55 years ago. I know of three fatal accidents involving such trips, one fortunately on his way to pick up his passengers (hence his need to fly into IMC containing a very large rock) another in which the pilot was killed but passenger escaped with serious injuries and the third in which both persons died on a photographic trip which went 'just a bit lower and slower' for a better picture.

I agree with Hot'n'High that insurance may be the key. People need to be told that life insurance policies associated with mortgages, businesses etc. do not cover private flights, the normal requirement being a multi-engined aircraft flown by a commercial pilot under an AOC. If you get killed, and Wingly and the like carry a greater risk, then your family will be left penniless. One such case has already been highlighted in this thread. It is possible to obtain this cover, as I did in our flying days, but the premium loading will be substantial to reflect the extra risk.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 21:31
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Emiliano Sala family queries timing of carbon monoxide tests

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-50316013
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