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Cardiff City Footballer Feared Missing after aircraft disappeared near Channel Island

Old 15th Aug 2019, 12:49
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Originally Posted by Edward Teach View Post
PDR ....Funnily enough they were my thoughts exactly 🤦🏻.

What a stupid post by positiverate. It's far more likely that the CO incapacitated pilot and passenger, and the blunt force trauma killed one or both of them.

I wonder if Sala was seated with his seat harness/strap securely fastened? Ibbo might even have survived the crash 🤷🏻, who knows!
who knows! those two words sum it all up for me!
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 15:55
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...ide/ar-AAFO23C
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 18:50
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That appears to be simply a reprint (credited as such) of the Mail article referenced earlier, complete with the same factual errors.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 19:13
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The Mail has updated the story with a slant on ownership, management and maintenance of the aircraft.

The mystery owner of Emiliano Sala's private plane registered the aircraft in the US using a British company paid £450-a-year to help keep their identity secret, MailOnline can reveal today.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch [AAIB], who revealed yesterday that Sala and his pilot David Ibbotson were poisoned by carbon monoxide seeping into the cabin, says its investigators have established the true identity of the UK-based owner.

But it is barred from revealing who it is because the records are held by the Federal Aviation Authority [FAA] in Washington DC whose own regulations prevent this crucial information being made public.

The FAA also chooses not to publish a plane's annual 'MOT' - known as a certificate of airworthiness - or when it is due to expire.

More than 600 UK-based plane owners have used the same loophole because aircraft registration in America is cheaper than in Britain and maintenance costs are also understood to be lower.

Airfield owner Humphrey Penney told MailOnline last night that the aircraft had 'a lot of problems' and was 'unfit to fly' in the months before it crashed in the Channel.

He also claimed that regular pilot David Henderson, who was arrested and bailed in June on suspicion of manslaughter, was 'unhappy with the maintenance' and also named 45-year-old Faye Keely, an accountant from Nottinghamshire, as the owner.




The ownership issue may prove vital to the question of who proves financially liable for the losses incurred by Cardiff City, who paid £15million for Sala.

A criminal prosecution is likely to follow the AAIB’s final report when it is published by the end of 2019.




FAA registration allows owners to protect their identity, for security or financial reasons, whereas in the UK the Civil Aviation Authority names the owner of every plane it with a UK licence.

Enquiries over the past year have centred on Faye Keely's mysterious firm Cool Flourish, listed at Companies House as a management consultancy business.

She is the company’s major shareholder and is listed by the companies register as resident at a property at Alfreton, Derbyshire, which is deserted and unfurnished.

Another director, her sister Heather Keely, 41, has also not been traced, while a mansion listed as the home of an older former director Terence Keely - believed to be their father - is also empty.

The AAIB says it cannot name the owner but a report earlier this year said the person it belonged to 'had an informal arrangement with a third party to manage the aircraft on its behalf'.

Regular pilot David Henderson was expected to fly the plane from Nantes to Cardiff on January 21 this year - but has never spoken about why he pulled out only to confirm that he was alive after the flight manifest in France allegedly named him as pilot.

He was arrested in June on suspicion of the manslaughter of Sala and his pilot David Ibbotson, 59, from Scunthorpe, who also perished in the air disaster, but remains on bail two months later.

The doomed Piper Malibu aircraft that crashed in the Channel on January 21 was registered to a small British firm called the Southern Aircraft Consultancy which charges £450 per year to hold the plane in an American trust.

The business in Bungay, Suffolk is understood to manage hundreds of aircraft registered in the same way.

Mysteriously 39-year-old aircraft's listing with the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) states that there were no previous owners.

And in 2015 it changed hands four times in a single day, MailOnline understands.

The British engineer who inspected the Piper Malibu aircraft in the months before the crash told MailOnline was so riddled with faults that an engineer had refused to repair it, saying: 'It was not fit to be flown.'

Details of owners of the aircraft have been shrouded in mystery.

One person who is known to have a connection to the aircraft is David Henderson - the pilot who was reportedly due to fly it but pulled out at the 11th hour.

Mr Henderson from York, was filmed by the BBC with the plane at Retford Gamston Airport in 2015 for a feature transporting small planes across continents to new owners.

Humphrey Penney, who is also a licensed engineer, was asked to give a second opinion on the stricken Piper PA-46 Malibu in summer last year and said he believes that it was unsafe.

He spoke out for the first time following yesterday's interim report published by the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch which showed that 28-year-old Argentinian striker Sala and his pilot David Ibbotson were exposed to deadly levels of the toxic gas even before the private plane plunged into the English Channel.




Speaking exclusively to MailOnline, Mr Penney said: 'What happened it all so sad and tragic. We had deep concerns about the plane when we looked it at a year ago. We nearly took it on but didn't because there were so many problems with it.'

Mr Henderson, originally thought to be the pilot who perished on the plane, had taken it to Sandtoft Airport in Belton, North Lincolnshire, on behalf of the owner chartered accountant Faye Keely.

Sandtoft boss Mr Penney, recalling his examination of the plane, said: 'Christ, this is awful! A lot needs doing.'

He added: 'The hydraulic motor was a shambles and the flaps, autopilot and de-icing system weren't working and there were several other problems.




There was a long list of things things that needed doing and it was going to cost an awful lot of money to put it right, in the region of £14,000 to £20,000.

'It was not in a fit state to be flown for a passenger but only in an emergency a short distance for maintenance and to get it fixed.'

The American craft registered to a Trust with a beneficial British owner, Ms Keely from Bonsall, Derbyshire - a pilot herself - had come to Mr Penney for a second expert opinion from Retford Gamston Airport in Gamston, Nottinghamshire, where it had been based long term.

Mr Penney said: 'It was moved here for a relatively short period and we then sent it to another organisation for the recommended work to be done. I can't comment on what work was later done.'




The plane was moved to nearby Sturgate Airfield in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire. No one was available to comment when approached by MailOnline.

Mr Penney added: 'I cannot say if the maintenance was done thoroughly and properly and if it was all fixed but the plane would have had an annual inspection at the end of the year. If all was good and dandy the plane should have flown safely.

'I know a very large bill for over £10,000 was presented to Faye.'

Mr Penney, is now helping air investigators following the shocking crash on January 21 killing new £15 million Cardiff City striker Sala and married father Mr Ibbotson, 59, from Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire,






Clearly a series of complicated legal cases will arise in the future.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stered-US.html

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Old 15th Aug 2019, 20:18
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I see the DM still hasn't managed to get the owner's name right.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 22:08
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Originally Posted by runway30 View Post
If the illegal act wasn’t the cause of death then that gets him off the hook
No it doesn’t. The whole flight was illegal, CO poisoning doesn’t let anybody off the hook, from the statement by the engineer/airfield owner things may be even worse. An illegal flight in an aircraft that may have been known to have airworthiness problems. I truly hope that someone goes to prison for a very long time.

Illegal CAT still goes on despite this sorry mess, reporting it achieves bugger all. This was a high profile accident, I know of at least 2 others, one with no injuries, one where just the pilot died. Hopefully Sala’s death may help shine a light on all the cowboys who think that what they do is acceptable practice.

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Old 16th Aug 2019, 05:43
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As an example, we used to run a early Seneca as a taxi, back in the 70s. On a trip with px, the first indication of a problem was the front seat passenger threw up suddenly. The pilot guessed the cause and shut off the heating while diverting to the nearest airfield. He then bought the a/c back to base for us to look at it. I found a hole in the stb engine cowling in front of the intake for the heating. The exhaust had cracked and the gas had burned it's way through the GRP on it's way to the intake. Since we needed the a/c the next day, I pulled the manafold for the approved welder to fix and worked late into the night at home remoulding the cowling with a slight bump to give a bit more clearance over the pipe. I told the CAA area surveyor, but I can't remember now if it resulted in any action.
I expect modding the cowling would be a no-no now.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 07:39
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Maintenance on an FAA registered aircraft has to be signed off by either an FAA licenced mechanic or an FAA Approved Repair Station. Be interesting to see which in this case.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 08:55
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I am surprised and very impressed that it was possible to quantify CO-Hb in a body that had been underwater for so long - I trust they are really confident. I would have expected all the post mortem changes of pH and osmolarity to mess-up the protein 3d structure and destroy the binding sites. I guess they measure the ratio of COHb : O2Hb, but they must break down at a differential rate depending on all sorts of factors. Of course it must be very cold at depth in the English Channel which will help. I am not doubting the result, but I must say a 2nd body with the same evidence would have greatly increased the confidence this this wasn't some kind of artifact.

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Old 16th Aug 2019, 12:23
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
I see the DM still hasn't managed to get the owner's name right.
At this point I don't think anyone cares. You could email the journalist to correct them if you're sure it's wrong.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 15:08
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Originally Posted by medod View Post
At this point I don't think anyone cares. You could email the journalist to correct them if you're sure it's wrong.
I suspect that the AAIB, CAA and FAA do indeed care who owns the aircraft, particularly in light of the latest information that's emerging about its alleged condition.

But they probably don't read the Daily Mail.
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 19:24
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
I am surprised and very impressed that it was possible to quantify CO-Hb in a body that had been underwater for so long - I trust they are really confident. I would have expected all the post mortem changes of pH and osmolarity to mess-up the protein 3d structure and destroy the binding sites. I guess they measure the ratio of COHb : O2Hb, but they must break down at a differential rate depending on all sorts of factors. Of course it must be very cold at depth in the English Channel which will help. I am not doubting the result, but I must say a 2nd body with the same evidence would have greatly increased the confidence this this wasn't some kind of artifact.
Would this explain why it took so long for the AAIB to disclose these results? (i.e. the testing procedure in these circumstances is very protracted)
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Old 16th Aug 2019, 22:28
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Originally Posted by Mike Flynn View Post
The Mail has updated the story with a slant on ownership, management and maintenance of the aircraft.



Clearly a series of complicated legal cases will arise in the future.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stered-US.html
was DI passing himself off as DH?
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Old 17th Aug 2019, 05:59
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Lets face it CO from the exhaust would probably include all the other horrible stuff that stinks...
And yet so many people have died from CO in cars, on boats, without noticing anything else in time.
Empirically, your logic is wrong.

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CO happens all the time. From our local paper yesterday ...
A car enthusiast died from carbon monoxide poisoning after running his engine while working on his vehicle in a garage, an inquest has heard.
https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...r-in-a-garage/
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I trained a few FAA pilots on the Do328jet and ALL of them had great respect for The FAA and intended to keep their path as per rules and regs . Obsessively so in some cases.
And the FAA Inspectors I trained was a Chapter of its own.
With that as my background dealing with the FAA, I find it rather odd the arrangement with the UK CAA.
Now this was from 1999 to 2004 , if I remember correctly and considering the latest development in FAA with regards to lack of oversight at the heavy end of things, I suspect this tragic and avoidable accident will have consequences. In a positive was for flight safety.

I suspect EASA might hold this accident against the FAA and UK CAA.
I certainly do.

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Old 17th Aug 2019, 18:42
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The first chapter in this drama was about the credentials of the pilot. The second chapter has now started with the aircraft brought in to the drama. But by far it will be the third chapter which will be the climax, when its authors and editors are revealed to the audience.
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The first chapter in this drama was about the credentials of the pilot. The second chapter has now started with the aircraft brought in to the drama. But by far it will be the third chapter which will be the climax, when its authors and editors are revealed to the audience.
The 2 empty properties associated with the Keelys being used as a Registered Address adds a certain air of mystery! Dark forces at play here, methinks.
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Originally Posted by Chronus View Post
The first chapter in this drama was about the credentials of the pilot. The second chapter has now started with the aircraft brought in to the drama. But by far it will be the third chapter which will be the climax, when its authors and editors are revealed to the audience.
Those authors and editors have of course had a significant period of time over which to collude and compare discoverable data, having dealt ”professionally” with some of the named individuals I’ll be very interested in the official understanding of the complex arrangements surrounding the ownership and operation of the aircraft, the maintenance of the aircraft and the commissioning of this fateful flight. Most of the named individuals have within my knowledge previously been involved in shady aircraft operations, commonly but not exclusively with US registered aircraft.
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Would this explain why it took so long for the AAIB to disclose these results? (i.e. the testing procedure in these circumstances is very protracted)
Very possibly. I expect that they used multiple different assay methods, although it's a little odd that the value was given as a single number rather than a confidence range.
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