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Old 13th May 2018, 19:56
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Pilot and 7 year old passenger in fatal accident In Ireland

Parachute drop plane crashed while returning to strip after dropping 16 parachutists..
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So sad...RIP both.

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Old 13th May 2018, 20:03
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The aircraft is Cessna 208 G-KNYS.
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Old 13th May 2018, 20:38
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https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0513/96...y-plane-crash/
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Old 13th May 2018, 21:07
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The two occupants have been recovered and are unfortunately deceased. Based on eyewitness reports the aircraft appears to have descended steeply and become embedded in the peatland after impact.

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I am stunned that a para-dropping airplane would be carrying a passenger. I fly glider towplanes and my club has a rule that we never carry anyone else, other than another tow pilot, for checkout purposes.
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If is difficult to know when the PAX was sitting, as from my experience, there are no seats except for the pilot, and to add the other front seat is removed in the C206 and C182 to allow an additional parachustist and easier access out of the door. I should add that with the maximan number of parachutists you can be right up to the limits in terms of weight and balance. even when I wax examined in parachute dropping the examiner was in a seat, likewise it was the only flight examination where the examiner was not there for the landing!
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It’s reported as a Caravan, not a 206, so I presume the two crew seats were in place
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Sad news but more so given that a child was on board. When I flew parachutists a few years ago it was completely against the rules to carry any extra persons, unless it was someone connected to the flight itself, you can justify some people (jumpmaster, PUT etc) but certainly not a child.
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By what I’ve read, the aircraft crashed while the parachutists were still in the air and must have witnessed this, very sad. From my experience once the last jumper has left the aircraft the pilot will wing over and dive to get on the ground ASAP ready for the next group
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VP-F... I quite agree with the rules you suggest, likewise this should be applied to banner towing, I am sure Nigel Farage would now agree on this. I should add is a seven year old enough to vacate the aicraft on his own, in the event the pilot is unable to.
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Old 14th May 2018, 20:35
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Terrible accident, R.I.P. How could they allow that poor child to be in that aircraft? Any ideas on what went wrong?
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Caravan with the jump mod (cargo door removed and replaced by roller door) is restricted to 15 degree angle of bank and 155 KIAS.......not a lot of people know that.....
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All the pilots should know.
If that 155 Kt speed is correct then the Flight Radar24 speed replays from the last week are interesting...
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Old 14th May 2018, 22:12
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https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36904675.html

Quote: "The bog had sucked it down. It was around 12 to 15 feet deep in the bog with only the tail of it visible. We were trying to pull it out with chains but they were cutting through it. I couldn't believe how light the material is in these planes," he said."

Hopefully the post-impact damage described above won't conceal the cause of this accident.

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I have flight tested and approved (by STC) jump doors on Caravans. I did impose limitations, though angle of bank was not restricted for the jump door installation. Different STC approvals may have different limitations. Yes, jump pilots can become 'comfortable" maneuvering the plane to get back down quickly. I flew jumpers for years, and had my tricks too ('never needed to exceed a limitation though). Unfortunately, getting used to rapid descents can make a pilot more relaxed about ground rush too....
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Not aware of the Irish rules but pilots are generally required to wear chutes for the just in case. Bet the child would not have one. A review of what can happen jump flying,

https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/24546/...101903_001.pdf
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Originally Posted by 3wheels View Post
All the pilots should know.
If that 155 Kt speed is correct then the Flight Radar24 speed replays from the last week are interesting...
Flight radar is based on GS not KIAS
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Yes, I was required to wear a 'chute when I flew jumpers. This was based upon the risk of either being flung out of the plane in the case of an upset (which had happened many years earlier), or the risk of a jumper damaging the plane so it was unflyable, and had to be abandoned. The jumpers used to tell me that they would reach to touch the horizontal stab (C 185) on the way out, and could not touch it. I took their word, having no interest myself in attempting this. I can imagine the reasoning could be different for a Caravan, as the pilot being flung out is very unlikely - no open door nearby, and I thing an errant jumper incapacitating a Caravan is even less likely. As I think about it, unless the pilot's door of the Caravan were to be modified so as to be jettisonable, I can't imagine the pilot getting out without an immense and unlikely cabin transit effort.

This does not explain why the child was aboard, but it sounds unlikely that a 'chute would have helped either of them anyway...
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Flew in their Porter late last year with a pilot friend. Made to wear a chute.

By all accounts he’d called established on base leg then nothing else was heard.

Tragedy, certainly, but let’s not rush to regulate all the fun out of life - (talks to brick wall) let’s wait for the facts.

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Old 30th May 2018, 23:54
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Here in the states it's very common to have a paying pax on jump aircraft to observe the jump of a friend or family member.
On single engine aircraft I think a parachute is required but not on multi engine aircraft.

I did read that the child involved was the son of one of the jumpers, very sad indeed!


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Preliminary report issued.

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