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7 dead in Quebec Island crash

Old 30th Mar 2016, 13:47
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Even worst for the mother and sister awaiting, Lapierre was with wife, two brothers and a sister... They all gathered a YHU and knew there was a chance that the friend pilot might cancel the flight; he didn't. The external pressure on the pilot, a friend wanting to help grieving family members get to their father's funeral, might be an important factor despite known marginal/uncertain conditions at destination a small island airport about 100 mi from the continent, and an aircraft with poor performances. One can imagine the guy feeling it almost impossible to say no... The irony is that Lapierre was not at all the type of guy to put undue pressure on people - to the contrary. What strikes me is that "self-induced pressure to deliver" is something I recognize myself in and was afraid of a few time in the past.
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 13:53
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The reason this came about was that Air Canada/Jazz had apparently cancelled their flights into the island because of the bad weather which incidentally got worse after the crash... Very sad story.
Indeed very sad. Sounds like the classic pressonalitis due to commitments syndrome. Better to miss a funeral than become several more I think.
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 14:02
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The copilot was a friend flight instructor and I doubt that he also had many hours on type.
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 14:05
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No ILS at CYGR. Only LOC. Circling approaches from South sector discouraged due to elevation.
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 14:10
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The pilot/owner was a friend of the former minister so this was probably a "friend" flight since the majors cancelled flights to that airport due to minimums. Sounds like getthereitist.
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 14:25
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Originally Posted by alph2z
Also there was an extreme low pressure of A2884 over the airport. Improper altimeter setting ? Accidental altimeter setting of A2984 would have caused the plane to fly 1000 ft lower than indicated.
Had this happen while I was flying as an F/E on the 727 during a night approach to KBOS.

Both the Capt and F/O had set the wrong altimeter setting and because their lights were turned down so low, I didn't catch it. Luckily, a BOS approach controller caught our mistake as we descended 600 ft below our assigned altitude.

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Old 30th Mar 2016, 15:43
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An appraisal of the MU-2

Dangerous Airplanes or Dangerous Pilots? | Flying Magazine
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 16:16
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When the QNH is that low, Air Traffic Services are required to state the altimeter setting twice.
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 18:04
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Approach plate

Originally Posted by alph2z
Family of 5 died on the way to a funeral. Plus 2 pilots.

Crashed 1 mile or so from airport. Moderate winds almost aligned with main runway. Visibility acceptable. OVC002 is probably a problem. Temperature 0 C. Dewpoint 0 C. Don't know if they have an ILS at CYGR. Witness nearby, which is 1 mile from airport, said there was an unusual loud airplane noise before crash; probably due to unusual low altitude compared to typical traffic.

The upper wings detached. The tail and cockpit also detached.

I suspect stall into the ground. But only the final report will finalize the cause.

Localizer approach available. No GS.

CYGR 291700Z 03024G32KT 1 3/4SM -RA BR OVC002 00/M00 A2886 RMK FG2SF6 SLP776
CYGR 291626Z 04024G30KT 1 1/2SM -RA BR OVC002 00/M00 A2884 RMK FG2SF6 SLP770
CYGR 291600Z 04020G28KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 00/M00 A2884 RMK FG2SF6 SLP769
CYGR 291548Z 04020G27KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 00/M00 A2884 RMK FG2SF6 SLP768
CYGR 291517Z 05017G27KT 2SM -RA BR BKN002 OVC008 00/M00 A2884 RMK FG2SF5SC1 SLP768
CYGR 291500Z 05018G29KT 2 1/2SM -RA BR BKN002 OVC008 00/M00 A2883 RMK FG2SF5SC1 SLP765







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Old 30th Mar 2016, 22:37
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The main witness revealed that the plane came down with one wing down and the other up. He was the 1st one to approach the debris and there wasn't any signs of life.

The plane might have been on base and turning onto final, thus the slower wing stalling 1st. EDIT: There is no base on a non-circling IFR approach.

The plane has an approach speed of 230 km/hr or 140 mph. A fast airplane for its weight.

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Old 30th Mar 2016, 23:04
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Since the FAA introduced mandatory type training for the MU-2 I believe from memory that their safety record is the best for aircraft in their category. This crash has all the hallmarks, starting with a real case of "must-get-in-itis", of an approach pushed far too far.
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 23:10
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Seems eerily similar to the Hawker accident at KAKR last November.
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 00:09
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Sadly too much deads ! Bad weather LOC/DME approach with 480'-11/2 minima with a 300'- 3/4 wind 32G45 at the moment of the approach (((
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 10:59
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The Transportation Safety Board of Canada has posted photos of the accident aircraft on their Flickr page here : https://www.flickr.com/photos/tsbcanada/


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Old 31st Mar 2016, 13:21
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The US magazine "flying" has a long record of watching the MU-2 and its accident record

A few years back they concluded it was a "hot" aircraft compared to other twins you might come across but that the company had put in place a really thorough training (and re-training) program and people who had done the course were no more likely to crash than any other medium twin
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 14:39
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Idiotic report by Stephen Puddicombe on CBC Radio this morning. Apparently he was astonished by the preliminary pronouncement of an NTSB investigator on the scene, who surmised that it looks to have been a landing accident. Puddicombe went on to hint darkly that the aircraft involved (which he did not identify) had a less than stellar accident record (wings "too thin and narrow") and should not have been operating in the Iles-de-la-Madeleine, implying that another aircraft would have landed safely.
More c**p from the Holy Mother Corp.
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 15:19
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I can't help but notice that the wreckage makes it look like the structure was unusually, well, brittle. It appears to have shattered like an old-fashioned Christmas tree ornament.
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 15:39
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Are they all cursed?

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Old 1st Apr 2016, 05:04
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Many TV news videos of the wreckage site in french. Detached wings, engines, bent props, tail cone, cockpit, fuselage, etc....

Gaspésie et Iles-de-la-Madeleine - Actualités régionales | TVA Nouvelles
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Old 1st Apr 2016, 12:30
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The TSB added some aerial shots of the crash site to their flickr page.

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