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Hawker Hunter down at Shoreham

Old 26th Feb 2017, 06:14
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Originally Posted by MacLaren1
There is a journalistic maxim: "if you want to bury/ minimise the impact of something, launch it on a Friday" (smaller Saturday papers due to more limited advertising; lower circulations as fewer commuters; a Friday is too early for the Sundays as the Saturday papers will have got there first; etc...).

While this is less relevant in today's internet age, and the report has zero risk of being ignored given its profile, the same principles apply.

So rather odd, given that (after more than a year) they had a choice of any time.

...Or maybe not.
Perfect timing for the evening news on TV & radio
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 14:10
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Perfect timing for the evening news on TV & radio
...Yes, and it will also make the print media - but the principle stands. You won't see any major companies launching new products on a Friday afternoon ...
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Old 26th Feb 2017, 22:11
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Originally Posted by MacLaren1
...Yes, and it will also make the print media - but the principle stands. You won't see any major companies launching new products on a Friday afternoon ...
Just a thought but perhaps the release date has been dictated by other issues, I assume that the AAIB will brief the relatives of those that lost their lives before the report goes public so their availability will have to be considered, and the next week is likely to be dominated by the budget.

From where I sit, regardless of the date of release, the report will be significant enough to get coverage, industry will react to the report but probably most important of all, the relatives of those people who lost their lives that day will, hopefully, get some answers.
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Old 27th Feb 2017, 12:54
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"Smaller papers at the weekend..."
Eh?
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If you want to slip news out quietly you don't issue public notice of your plans four days beforehand; you go public very quietly last thing on a Friday afternoon.

Given this report is published Friday morning with prior notice and media with getting advance copy of report, subject to embargo, then I don't see timing as in any way detrimental to news coverage.

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Old 27th Feb 2017, 18:45
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I really do not think that the particular date of public release of the report is in any way relevant to press and media coverage. For a better understanding of the whole see link below.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...rs_AIB_MoU.pdf

In particular para 35, which may explain as to why the report has not been released earlier.
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Old 28th Feb 2017, 09:29
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https://www.westsussex.gov.uk/births...t/latest-news/


Pre-inquest hearing has been postponed.
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I really do not think that the particular date of public release of the report is in any way relevant to press and media coverage. For a better understanding of the whole see link below.
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...rs_AIB_MoU.pdf

In particular para 35, which may explain as to why the report has not been released earlier.
Nope still need a better understanding. I can read that link but I still can't square it with the comment as reported back in March 2016.

Shoreham crash: Police go to High Court to see evidence - BBC News

That story gives us this:-

A spokesman for the AAIB told the hearing on Tuesday it had released three bulletins about the crash with its final report expected to be published in "early summer".
The coroner adjourned the proceedings for another pre-inquest hearing on 19 September.
One assumes the September '16 date came off the back of the "early summer" expectation.

If early summer could be viewed as perhaps June? The rational for the delay is almost a big a story as the outcomes in the final report. Bit like the questions around the EC225 - just what takes the time in all of these things?
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Old 28th Feb 2017, 19:17
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Originally Posted by n305fa
Just a thought but perhaps the release date has been dictated by other issues.
At the very least I expect Sussex Police to issue a statement regarding the status of their investigation at the same time the AAIB report is released.
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At the very least I expect Sussex Police to issue a statement regarding the status of their investigation at the same time the AAIB report is released.
Is the statement to announce they have read the report and for further clarification the boys in blue will now renew their invite for the boys in the military forum to attend another friendly little chat over a cup of tea at the local nick. As mentioned by Arfur Dent. "some of us from the 'Military " site have been invited to talk to Sussex Police " quote from Arfur Dent.
My guess is that Sussex police as an interested party have already seen the report.
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Old 2nd Mar 2017, 10:35
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I think from reading this the CPS get a copy - not the police investigating.


https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/assets/uploads/files/MOU between CPA...
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Have now found the MOU for the police and the AAIB


https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment


According to this it would appear that the police and the AAIB would have had regular meetings and exchanged information throughout the investigation.
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Old 3rd Mar 2017, 08:54
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This is running on several threads on PPRuNe -can we agree 9or can the mods enforce) a single location today?
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Hey, HH, just what I was thinking!

Having read and re-read the 'Shoreham Hunter' thread here on Accidents and Close Calls and the similar thread on Military Aviation, it would make sense to agree on a single location for future posts. Perhaps it would even be appropriate to start a new thread on 'Shoreham Hunter AAIB Report' or something similar.

There is bound to be overlap on the various PPRuNe threads, but an agreement now before the report is out would seem prudent. It was an Accident, but it was a ex-Military aircraft.
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Exactly HP,

Very differing substantive themes have steered the two main threads through their stages.

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I have started a thread, in preparation for the release of the report at noon.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post9694147
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I've seen where you've placed that thread and you need to know it will have a life of a few days there before being moved here long term.

R+N for initial exposure and then over here. Human behaviour is habitual and many will think only of joining in on the forum and thread they've usually gone to. If that's happening we'll consider a brief pause on the two main threads.

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I'm happy for you to relocate it where you think best.

I'm sure the report is worthy of its own thread, and will pick up steam quickly.

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Old 3rd Mar 2017, 19:31
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Originally Posted by Chronus
Is the statement to announce they have read the report and for further clarification the boys in blue will now renew their invite for the boys in the military forum to attend another friendly little chat over a cup of tea at the local nick. As mentioned by Arfur Dent. "some of us from the 'Military " site have been invited to talk to Sussex Police " quote from Arfur Dent.
My guess is that Sussex police as an interested party have already seen the report.
I didn't have any expectations about the content of any announcement from Sussex Police, only that there would be one.

https://sussex.police.uk/news/sussex...ham-air-crash/

Sussex Police has received the final report from the Air Accident Investigation Branch into the Shoreham air crash and will begin looking at the report in detail with our independent experts.

Detective Chief Inspector Paul Rymarz said: "We continue to keep the families of those who lost their lives updated as we progress with our investigation. We have been waiting some time for this report and it will take us some time to review. Our progress has been dependent on this final report and as a result of the ruling in the High Court, much of the material contained in it has not been seen by the investigation team until now. We hope to do everything we can to submit a file of material to the CPS in advance of the pre-inquest review on June 20.

"As we have said before, this is an extraordinarily complex investigation, but we remain committed to finding answers for the families and friends of those who died."
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Fortunately in the U.K. To find someone guilty of a criminal offence you have to prove intent or negligence and a simple mistake is not negligence as the pilot did not eject from the aircraft and attempted to recover the situation this would indicate a mistake on entry to the loop rather than intentional or wreckless negligence. It should also be remembered that the AAIB report can't under international law be used to prosecute the pilot and the police have to collect their own evidence, another thing that has to be considered is if prosecution is in the public interest, the huge costs involved in bringing the case and the questionable chance of success along with the fact the pilot clearly did not intend to crash the aircraft and is not likely to re-offend are all going to be factors the CPS will consider before bringing this to court.

It must also be remembered that some of the victims deliberately placed themselfs in a more hazardous position to watch the show for free and so presumably excepted the additional risk, I do feel very sorry for those victims who just happened to be passing by in the course of normal daily life unconnected with the airshow who could not have known the risks posed by the show and so were not in a position to deicide to or not to take the risk of being in the area at the time.
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