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Hawker Hunter down at Shoreham

Old 22nd Aug 2015, 15:47
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confirmed 7 killed by BBC just now.
Brighton Argus (local paper) has live news feed with links to twitter pics
Plane at Shoreham Air Show crashes into cars on A27 (From The Argus)
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 16:43
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I know it's stating the obvious but had the impact been one second earlier or later he'd have ended up in a field...


Truly a grim reminder of how all of us are only ever a heartbeat away from death.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 16:58
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Not all of us do...
A truly terrible incident, and one that may well change the way airshows are conducted with regards to displays, certainly of non military aircraft/pilots. RIP to all involved in this tragedy.

This plane should never have been doing that over such a busy road though, period..
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 16:58
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Witness unfortunatley (not on airfield but on Downs walking about a mile away waiting to see the Vulcan)

Aircraft arrived, pulled up rolled over the top. Thought bit low for that bearing in mind the downs.

Held the vertical descent probably looking at crowd line, then pulled slowly, realised he was a bit low and REALLY pulled into a quite high alpha. Looked away at that point realising what was going to happen.

POSSIBLY Heard the canopy and seat fire (seen/heard ejection seats before and the sharp crack/whoosh is recognisable) followed almost immediately by the impact. Looked back and HUGE fireball spreading across the landscape.

Just to point out the usual accident interpretations someone else commented (not to me) aircraft was on fire before impact. Im pretty sure it wasnt.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 17:10
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In the photo, the canopy appears to be hinged back. If the seat was used, surely it would not be like that?
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 17:17
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Airshow safety revisited................

Condolences to all those affected. Most sincerely. Pilot, spectators, passers-by, families and ALL those involved. What a tragedy!

We really need to take Airshow displays seriously in terms of safety and revisit safety 'buffers' and 'forensic' levels of pre-display planning. There certainly looks like (from the video) many clear-zone areas that could have been planned-in in the event of engine failure, certain control malfunctions at the pullout area of that loop.

In the meantime, condolences again to ALL those involved.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 17:24
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The canopy is attached and hinged open, the seat barrel/piston is not visible. The seat soes not appear to have been initiated.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 17:37
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I don't understand why an airshow is happening above a busy road. Surprised that this would be allowed in Britain.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 17:42
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Is that a flame out? The flash is not visible on videos taken from the Downs. You should send that to the AAIB so they can stop frame and analyse.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 17:43
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Playing back on youtube at 0.25x speed it looks like something much closer and out of focus such as a bird flying in front of the camera.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 17:51
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I managed to park it on that frame, it looks much closer than the aircraft and at a different angle to the path of the aircraft, It may be a bird or similar.

Here it it https://goo.gl/photos/YvP35foFgAZTY1aN6

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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:00
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Originally Posted by Munchie View Post
Agree. I don't know why the link I posted has been taken down
Not sure if youve seen this photo but its amazing more werent killed.

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From people that were there, it looked like a lack of power (slow to complete the roll) and not enough altitude. Out of speed, out of height.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:14
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I believe that there seems to be temporary lights in use at that junction, might have been furthermore fatalities, as it's hit right at the junction.



And this taken one second before impact.

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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:16
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The A27 is busy at most times but you can see in the remarkable image above that cars were stopped at temporary traffic lights with traffic slowing/stopped. In so far as can be seen, the aircraft crashed into the middle of the junction. Had the lights/roadworks not have been there - all vehicles would have been at regular speed and there would have been an enormous concertina into the crash site by many vehicles.

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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:30
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I can say there are no roadworks. It is a traffic management design for the air show. It stops traffic from turning right when coming from the west travelling East. They also turn off the lights so no one stops. The queuing traffic is much further back before the junction into the airport.
If it had been a normal day the fatalities would have been so very much worse.

I hope at some point that all those sadly affected can find some peace.

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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:35
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Thanks JohnnyD for the still. Certainly looks to be much closer to the camera.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:39
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Doesn't look like a flameout as in most of the videos you can hear the engines spooling up right up until impact.
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:41
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A non graphic aftermath video

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=213_1440261898
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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:43
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Quite a few of the pics seem to show the a/c with some flap deployed.

If I am mistaken, fair enough, but if not is that normal or was this a last minute action to try to generate some additional lift/recover?

Truly awful. RIP.

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Old 22nd Aug 2015, 18:49
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Quite rightly tomorrows airshow has been cancelled.
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