Woah, sluggums, you misinterpret my post. I was an SFI for 3 years until I had enough. The vast majority of trainers are good guys with the best of intentions including some very good friends of mine. However, there is an element of over complication where the basics get ignored. It is interesting that you are defensive about the training dept when the other stuff, warning letters etc are an integral part of the overall morale or lack of it. The joys of pprune where out of context is the norm. And just where does the responsibility for the recent spate of near misses lie?