Originally Posted by
Concours77
At ninety degrees roll, there is no lift at all, save that reserved for heading! Rudder becomes elevator at knife edge. I don't see that, there is far too much forward travel. Dropping at that rate I would expect a smoking hole, not so much linear advance?
That's my opinion, but I'm not a pilot. That's why you're here!
The Electra can't knife-edge fly until it gets to about 250 kts. My simulator video is at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JiGSJ5xPQg So at 90 degrees and 160-ish kts we're talking about pure ballistics, and it would drop like a rock. I graphed that on page 24. But Lockheed measured a 5 degree slope from the power lines to the embankment. That sounds like a landing with no flare.