hmmm. "stupid loudmouths". How old are you? My 7 year old sometimes slips and spouts such inanities. Traf (and other considered and experienced others) speak intelligently in regards to the history, and current situation in respect of the pilot group. You might want to heed that. The last TA was FLAWED. The company wanted us to vote for it for a reason. I would rather fight the good fight and lose, than be lying on my back victimised by the machinations of this company. Someone like yourself will have a worthless career because you are easily bought off. Nothing good in this industry has come easy, or without a fight. Grow a pair.