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Old 17th Jul 2017, 17:57
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Originally Posted by ratpackgreenslug
For every approach put the relevant ILS frequency in the box. Identify said ILS (dits and dars) and fly said ILS as presented by wondrous displays on the panel within 18 inches of one's nose.

This cock up is what happens when children of the Airbus magenta line look out the window and decide to go for it. Wonder where they would have ended up on the Quiet Bridge Visual.
Originally Posted by Brain Potter
In the A320 the display of ILS GS and LOC symbology on the PFD is incompatible with using the autoflight system to fly a non-precison approach. The ILS may be hard-tuned but the crew will not see the data unless they select the LS pushbutton or switch the Nav Display over to ROSE LS mode.
Originally Posted by CurtainTwitcher
Thank you Brian Potter! We have a crazy policy recomendation to de-tune the ILS for an RNP approach when the runway is equiped with an ILS, why? Because of occasional GPWS glideslope alerts if the ILS is tuned!
The ILS to 28R was apparently working just fine. TACA 560, another A320, was cleared for the ILS 28R a few minutes before the AC 759 flyby. Sure looks like most A320 operators don't bother with tuning the ILS with a non-ILS FMS approach and it is awkward to view the raw data while getting guidance from the FMS profile.

Listening to the approach control audio in the link posted a couple of times above, AC 759 was coming in on the DYAMD3 arrival, they checked in with NOCAL descending through FL250. They were given at ARCHI join the FMS Bridge Visual 28R. The subsequent controller told other planes to join the FMS Bridge Visual 28R, routing only (I like her style a little better since a couple of planes incorrectly read back the first controller's clearance as 'cleared for the approach').

AC 759 was given depart CEDES heading 270, vectors for spacing. After some vectoring with altitude and speed changes, they were given direct TRDOW, cleared for the FMS Bridge Visual Approach Runway 28R.

Obviously some button pushing to re-intercept the approach at TRDOW, some chances to inadvertently delete a constraint or heal a discontinuity in the wrong place. Still, nothing uncommon at a busy international airport even at midnight in my experience.
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