xpz67... what is it about these 'managers'? I worked for 44 years in ATC and the last 10 or so were to put it mildly... conflictive. The place from the 70's to the 90's and even further was a real example of teamwork, we all worked for each other and for the organisation. Then in came a real weather change where management was all important and anyone who brought up counter arguments or ideas was 'anti' and marked as unsuitable for the common good. Yuk speak (in Roger Bacon, of Flight magazine, terms) took over and all common sense and community spirit was lost. Am I the only one to think this?... sad really but I'm glad to be out of the bear pit. They were great days, with wonderful colleagues, dulled by 'managers'.