um, no Kockayne all I see is Rivet Joint stating it as he sees it, which is opinion, not fact. How can it be fact when it hasn't happened yet? Come back in 8 years time and if Flybe have pulled out I'll agree with you and him that he's stating a fact, until then I see opinion. I guess it's a little like your age listed on the left there, that's actually not fact is it.