dash6. Thanks for your reply. Thinking about it I guess actual flight time didn't amount to very much at all, just as you said. "Take up slack, all out", winched to 900ft (I think that was about the highest I remember in the Cadet which was the only type I got to fly in), a quick crosswind, slightly longer downwind, sharp base, quick finals and out spoilers and hold it off for the landing ... how on earth did the instructors teach all that during such short airborne time? I think I remember seeing a Sedbergh do a 360 turn on the downwind once, I don't think the Cadet had enough height or time for that!