I am unworthy to be in the same debate as some of the names on here, but it seems to me that whether the B will be the best dogfighter in the world and whether it will be a capable AD asset for a UK carrier group are different questions; and bearing in mind eg the Flynn comments (even allowing for some over-inflation) coupled with such factors as sensors, sensor fusion etc, to write off the B as a turkey in AD terms strikes me as simplistic and probably wrong. In any polarised debate the truth is usually to be found lurking somewhere in the middle. Given where we are and the niche we've made for ourselves, I suspect the B will to a capable and valuable job for us in the years ahead, including in terms of contribution to layered AD, imperfections notwithstanding.