And what about the good old days when we actually had hospitals. Was not unusual to see an air rank surgeon or whatever propped up against the bar with junior ranks on first name terms. I would not have though any of them had done much of the Cranwell experience. I remember it always irked one particular Stn Cdr at Halton when he was put in his place by a higher rank when he had a go over Friday night shenanigans in the nurses bar. Always reminded me a bit like MASH.