fugitive
We seem to have got off the track slightly, here.The main problem is,what has happened to what were good companies.
The problem with both and you could say that about the main Oz airlines,AN,QF and no doubt, probably JQ.
They say that successful companies are all about the people who work at the rock face and the company will succeed if your employees are right behind management(who are are capable) and vice versa.
All of the above are good examples of that and dare I say it,Virgin is the opposite,but look at the people managing it and talk to the employees.
When management attack their workforce,there will be retaliation and there is only one way to go from there.
To bring the thug mentality into management will never work and just look at some of the nicknames that they are given.
Anyway,it hurts everyone and we are all losers,including shareholders.
Surely the people oversee management don't want to commit hari kari,so why do they sit back.
Anyway,that is the way aviation in Oz and also PNG has behaved for the last 25 or so years and it wont change.