It will take months, probably over a year, to agree on a roster. Vote in the 8 hour now and have a $hit roster during that time or pull your heads in and stay on the roster you're on during the negotiations. Common sense. No one wants an 8 hour roster so why vote it in when it isn't going to achieve anything? If the only reason you want to vote in the 8 hour is to make ourselves as inefficient as possible so they will need more of us then you are insane. Are you people trying to get them to sack the lot of us? If you want to lose your job just take a VR and let the rest of us get on with it. We are orchestrating our own demise with some of your attitudes.