Maybe the Mods should ban anymore boring repetitive discussions on PTF! The SXS deal is NOT PTF… the fee covers the type rating, line training, OCC course, recurrent training, 2 days sim every 6 months OPC/LPC and all the admin costs of work permits, DGCA approvals etc etc. During the year they earn good salaries ( average net with O/T 4500 Euros) and after 1 year will have 900 hrs plus on type and nearly all get contracts extended.. so what's the beef.. Year 2 they are back in positive cash flow, that's a whole lot better than sitting around wishing and waiting for the " good old days" to come back. IF you can pass the assessment , its a great start to an aviation career. Of course, with nearly 100 guys in training, places are now limited..