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Old 1st Oct 2013, 07:03
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Flying Binghi
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(I put this in the climate thread though seeing the earlier reference to media influences thought it might be of interest here.)

I've managed to get me-self banned, for a while, from the forum run by weatherzone. What do they do ...

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Climate is big business. Money to be made by those in the climate 'industry'. Global warming sceptics are an 'inconvenience' to be removed.

Here's how yer get banned from the WXzone forum...

Commenting about a post from poster "Seabreeze" putting up a list of recent temperature 'records'...

My post, #1211722: Of all those 'records' the longest length of site history appears to be 47 years. If you do a Trove newspaper search and set the parameters from the earliest available to the most recent of 47 years ago you get a heck of a lot of reports/articles of extreme heat in Australia.

One needs to be very careful of these recent so-called 'record' temperatures.

Poster Seabreeze don't reply though Poster Ken Kato goes on to demonstrate either a lack of knowledge of Urban Heat Island (UHI), station siting and instrumental recording effects on temperature readings, or just wants to gloss over it...

via Ken Kato, #1211723: You'll have to excuse my rant here but to be honest, I get really irritated when some people always have to try and diminish the significance of some heat event by using quotation marks or the word, so-called.

I also find it really disappointing and sad we can't discuss the wonders of the weather or a heat event, no matter how significant, without implying/resorting to some anti climate change agenda. Whatever happened to being inquisitive and wanting to learn more about weather and climate?

One also needs to be very careful about taking figures and info from newspaper articles in the past as gospel. There's a good reason why the length of records for each station are there in the first place i.e. it gives info on how long there's been accurate instrumental records that meet certain requirements. Otherwise, we'd be using Joe Bloggs thermometer lying against a wall in the sun for records.

And finally, there's a whole stack of sites across QLD which have broken all time temp max records, many which go back to the early 1900's and late 1800's.

The extreme heat is what it is.

My post #1211728: Which be those Ken ??? The 'records' i commented on appear to only go back at most 47 years.

Ken Kato then ignores the 47 year station history comment by putting some of the same names up again...

via Ken Kato #1211732: Here's some of the sites from Thu during the peak of the heat which have longer records (their opening date is in brakets):
Barcaldine (1913) Clermont (1910) Dalby (1893) Goondiwindi (1891) Isiford (1913) Kingaroy (1947) Miles (1908) Mitchell (1907) Richmond (1893) Roma (1889) St George (1938) Stanthorpe (1938) Surat (1938) Taroom (1953) Toowoomba (1931)

The last time I checked, 12 sites broke their records on Wed and 30 sites on Thu, some by a couple of degrees or more. Area-wise, this is about the equivalent of almost one third of the state.

Unfortunately for poster Kato airports weren't all that common in the 1800's so i started with the obvious basics.

Also, the weatherzone forum owners didn't like the way things were developing so my posts and others reply/attack posts from here on were removed. WXzone does not allow any discussion that questions the global warming mantra.

My post #1211922: Hmmm... Ken, having a quick look-see at your list i note several stations there showing 'history' longer then those presented by Seabreeze.

Some examples:
(Station names only for brevity) Dalby airport, Goondiwindi airport, Toowoomba airport, Kingaroy airport.

Ken Kato, apart from Kingaroy i'm doubtful that there could have been met stations at the airport locations since the establishment dates you show. To clarify, Ken do these these towns listed have recording stations at both the airport and township ?

The abusive attack posts from others then start at me, the only sceptic in the 'discussion' at the time. here's one of my replies to a milder post...

Via Laurier Williams: Sadly, Ken, I have to agree. It is the reason I finally decided to leave the Weatherzone forum after watching its growth, and decline, from the beginning. (I am member number 11) The decision to ban all discussion on the number one issue confronting the meteorological and climatological community - global warming - due to the uncontrolled and vitriolic antics of a large number of members was the last straw.

While I still keep a watch on posts by a few selected and valued users, such as yourself, I prefer to give my limited time to a new forum where intelligent discussion supported by evidence and conducted in a polite and friendly manner are the norm.

My post #1211923: Laurier Williams, after developments elsewhere i'm starting to wonder if there weren't a few 'false flag' posters here. The so-called sceptical 'side' has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to valid discussion points and have no need to be "uncontrolled and vitriolic".

Wondering why WXzone would want to silence debate i'm guessing exciting armageddon weather hysteria sells. Fact checked boring weather don't sell..


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