Satsuma, yes of course there are (probably) parallels, however as I said if multiple events with different circumstances in different continents all get lumped into a thread ostensibly about the L2 accident, thing will get so convoluted as to become dysfunctional. We have already seen plenty of contributors struggling to keep up when it was just about the L2. Its a free country and you can discuss what you like on here, just don't be under the illusion you are helping. Why not bring in every loss of control accident there ever was, that way there will be plenty of grist for fatuous comments such as "more manual flying required", even though some of the events occurred on an R22!