I'm confused. I must be missing the point here. It is entirely possible i've had one too many... Are people actually claiming that RYR are deliberately recording lower MtoW than the actual? The initial post quoted a German newspaper (and remember, the newspapers are very accurate) saying that RYR routienly exceeded the stated MTOW (on the loadsheet, i presume) to dodge fees. Not once in the 6 years I've been in the company have I seen this done. The procedure is quite legal, and RYR is not the only company who does this, and the only time this would be exceeded would be by mistake. I can't think of a captain who would do this on purpose, especially not for Ryanair!