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Old 18th Apr 2012, 14:22
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rog747
 
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lol goodness what a great name lol

i see mods have moved this now to CRM which is good.
yes CRM or just RM as you say which in this IB case still failed everyone concerned and likewise in Costa Concordia too...similarities in behaviour and cultural patterns, yep i think so.
i think costa Concordia is a hugely interesting incident which reflects
on all CRM enormously on both modes of air and sea commands.
if you haven't seen the Bridge video then see here:
and for uk ppruners
The Sinking of the Concordia Caught on Camera - 4oD - Channel 4
the first on the bridge part is at 16m 15s then other clips follow on.
the whole episode is worth a watch.
makes you all think we are ALL on camera now and at work too.
social media and interweb has seen to that.

these two below, 32 years apart:
1977 TFS, KLM F/E to (Chief B747) pilot in command, that Pan Am is he clear?
OH YES! (with throttles advancing) a minute later almost 600 dead.

2009 Flash Sharm El Sheikh F/0 to Captain, aircraft is turning right? (SID was for a left turn) no answer from Capt, a/c in the sea a minute later 148 dead.
(a jump seat pilot was also sitting behind them)

and in 2007 the Iberia guys, why for one reason or another?, ATC replies were
abrupt and suggest strained, but then all 3 crew waving at the adjacent BA aircraft which had just pointed out to them they had snow contaminated wings,
why the wave? a cocky flippant wave or a suggestive wave to the nice speaking lady F/O sitting in the BA747?
further abrupt ATC responses, ATC again suggest de-icing? IB response:
we don't need it.
end result here was maybe tea and biscuits (or a cafe con leche in this case) with el chief capitano in MADRID.
lucky for them and their 300 pax they made it home for tea and biscuits.

and in 2012 for the Moscow Ruski's in their A320 winged snowmobile?
Hah! it no problem, snow? it always blow off in Tupolev...

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