Chinook
JB..... and given your background I am surprised at some of the company you keep. Meanwhile, you are talking about alleged failures in the heirachy, on which, being long gone, I cannot comment. I am talking about negligence at the sharp end, defined in my book as 'taking (or in this case) failing to take, an action which a reasonable person given the same circumstances would take (in this case turning away and up the coast, rather than flying over the Mull). We shall never see a meeting of minds here, but have a good Christmas anyway. JP.