Just as an aside, I'm sure I've read somewhere some airline like Virgin and either qantas or Air New Zealand have their CSD/FSMs who fly with crew but also have some management responsibilities. I don't know but that could be a good idea to keep the CSD role ''alive'' if you know what I mean and also give PSRs another level to reach and also means that managers actually fly with crew on the line. Obviously there would be a problem that CTMs (crew team managers) would be out of a job but couldn't they work purely on the ground just managing the CSDs. Just an idea. I know this is slightly off track but it is still slightly related lol.