Let's not turn this into a 'Should we pay for Type Ratings' debate. Everyone knows it's a crap situation and that we shouldn't have to. But Kelly, don't have a go at the guys that have. It's alright for the folks that finished their training many years ago when TR's were being handed out left right and bloody centre. Does anyone want to spunk an extra 15-30k on training after already taking a kick in the nuts for upwards of 50k.....NO! But that the way it is. Either we ALL i.e everyone says no to paying for TR's, which at the moment would probably sink a few airlines...or learn to live with it because I can't see the good old days returning any time soon! I detest the idea of paying yet more money to do this job and I certainly don't like the look of the job situation or T&C's but they're not going to improve until the greatly anticipated pilot shortage that the FTO's keep bleating about comes around!!!