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Old 17th Nov 2008, 08:25
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NigelOnDraft
 
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7sr...

There is a chance, on some types, that a rapid selection of full power and Flaps/Slats might rescue the situation.

However, it is, IMHO, the "wrong" way to analyse this accident. Firstly we need to deal with an "average crew" on a "bad day" under "pressure" and "distractions". We need to assure the Pax / Safety System we can operate safely... Requiring an instant, unco-ordinated non-SOP response I don't think matches that?

Put it another way, you are asking for a very high standard of flying, analysis, SA and reaction time from a crew who, up to that point, have (for whatever reason) exhibited none of those traits in getting an aircraft to that point without Flaps/Slats.

The "Superior Pilot... avoids use of Superior Skill..." saying springs to mind

PP
You raise some good points. You are possibly slightly incorrect abouit it being stalled from the moment it left the ground... if it had, it would never have lifted off (nor Detroit). In practice, ground effect came into play, allowing both aircraft to reach a low altitude, where the loss of ground effect, and the high drag, took over. Also, swept wings do not always stall in the classic sense - both here and Detroit the "wing rock" at high AoA become significant.

As you conclude, accident are rarely a single cause. Prosecutions help nobody, except in clear cases of malicous intent. All it achieves is make some politicians think they are doing something Errors were made, some by people alive, some probably by people not alive... As you say, the fact that the P2 was basically informed of redundancy that morning is unforgiveable, and IMHO will be a possible or contributory cause...

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