If you guys moaning because of delay in upgrade due to this age change, you are really barking up the wrong tree. Maybe you should hope for a bankruptcy, a termination of your defined benifit retirement plan, and 2500 pilots retireing early as they did at Delta. Now that creates movement. Or what you really want is a solid company that has serious expansion plans, that has a secure retirement, that makes it attractive for guys to leave early. Waiting for pilots to retire for you to move up, is not what I would want to hope for.