I think some of the unquantifiable airmanship, balance and common sense that a nav brings to the flight deck would be as applicable now to the J deck as it was when I went through Thorney Island OCU on the Klassic in 1971. Without a pole the testosterone doesn't pulse so dangerously hard--think about it. We all want to win and the K has done so so well for many years with its Klassic Krew Komposition.