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Old 27th May 2022, 13:10
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Initially - we’ve seen on this thread VA and JQ pilots are on substantially less so DEC could be sourced from them for an salary more than their current rates but below what’s being proposed for mainline. Also can get expats from overseas wanting to come home, which they will for somewhere North of $250k per year. Current mainline pilots who’ve been waiting decades (yes decades) for a command and are now surplus to requirements with the phasing out of the 737. Even 457s if they can get away with it. F/Os can be sourced from Academy graduates.

They’ll find pilots, just offer them a bit more than VA which will still be less than QF mainline.

Don’t think they wouldn’t try? They grounded an airline and outsourced all baggage handlers overnight, even though they lost in court that didn’t phase them. The Union has been neutered in providing any assistance.

It’s a clear choice between a continuation of the same conditions now or outsourced uncertainty at much lower rates for those who eventually get to fly the thing.
The fact Qantas lost in court over that will limit thier success at another attempt, as will will the slow phased approach with Winton.
QF were found to be wrong with thier handling of the baggage handlers, but the replacements had already been hired so the damage was done.

Everyone has thier price, but most expats I know are expats for a reason... and for many Australia wasn't worth thier while under the old conditions, so a cut to those won't entice them back either.

VA, 457s and acadamy grads haven't been able to help Network or Alliance, so while theoretically possible, it seems unlikely.
Anything is always possible, but the at the heart of the matter is that the company need the pilots they have (and then some) for Winton to be a success.

Hurrying to accept a deal out of fear is how not to negotiate.

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